Some of you were skeptical of Rev Freezus recruiting now

[bigbub50]

Freeze had an accurate qb who could run plus 3 nfl wideouts at ole miss at one point. They were nearly unstoppable for a year or two. Plus he ran hurry up when not everyone was doing it.

At Liberty he had the qb but not really anything else. He was still solid statistically.

Can?t say Lane at Bama is Lane now. Lane was good then but is in a new stratosphere now. If I?m not mistaken, Lane at Bama wasn?t in hurry up 24/7, but he was still great there at getting mis matches with his 5 star wr of the year and running double move routes for east td?s.

Now, Lane has this hurry up misdirection run game at Ole Miss that is elite, plus he still calls the double move mis matches and when he has an accurate qb, he has one of the best offenses going right now. I?d put Huepel and UT up there with him. Lane was breaking in a first year starter at qb and below average talent at WR last year.

Freeze has not had elite talent to play with in several years so it?s hard to compare.

Don?t sleep on freeze though, he will score lots once he gets the talent back to par at Auburn.

If I had to choose today, I would take Lane. 8 years ago, definitely Freeze.

[bigbub50]

Also, Lane at Bama was probably held back at Bama from doing what he really wanted to do by Saban. And I don?t blame Saban here. When you have the talent advantage, no need to be as exotic and revolutionary.

[Matt3467]

Or we use our heads and look at the big picture.

Hugh freeze had an advantage over all the teams he was coaching against and still didn't win big. He was throwing money and buying prostitutes for recruits and still couldn't win the West. Look at the big picture. Mullen did as well or better than Freeze with classes ranked in the 30's.

He'll be 7-5 to 9-3 at Auburn because the boosters will spend the money. He'll beat Saban a time or two because saban is getting old and it's easy to see he's lost some fire. It's Kirby's time to rule now.

As much as I love Mullen we can look at records all day long but he never could get us over the Bama hump. Heck in 9 years we were only really competitive in maybe one game and the rest we didn't just lose we were rolled. Ever since Mullen Bama has psychologically whipped me into submission so much so that it's the only game on our schedule I don't care to watch.

[Bothrops]

Freeze is going to take Auburn where they want to be.

[Captain Falcon]

Anyone that beats Bama and goes to an NY6 bowl with Bo Wallace at QB and basically no running game whatsoever is a good coach.

He is definitely going to be an improvement over Harsin, I personally expect something similar to what Malzahn did. Beats Bama and gets to Atlanta a time or two, is ultimately undone years down the road by head scratching losses. People remember the Bama wins but forget that he also lost to mediocre Arkansas teams both of those years and lost to Memphis in one of them.

[TrapGame]

Anyone that beats Bama and goes to an NY6 bowl with Bo Wallace at QB and basically no running game whatsoever is a good coach.

He is definitely going to be an improvement over Harsin, I personally expect something similar to what Malzahn did. Beats Bama and gets to Atlanta a time or two, is ultimately undone years down the road by head scratching losses. People remember the Bama wins but forget that he also lost to mediocre Arkansas teams both of those years and lost to Memphis in one of them.

That's why I think Freeze rolls over Lane like a steam roller but they play like shit vs us. This is Freeze's MO his entire coaching career.

[PMDawg]

This thread is fun. We have some people who, when he was at Ole Miss, said not to worry about the recruiting b/c he couldn't coach now saying he's Vince Lombardi reincarnated. And we have some who said he was a great coach back then now saying he's not that great. I remember when people were making fun of his WRs showing up at the combine or for NFL training camp not even knowing basic route trees.

I don't know what he'll be at Auburn. I'm not happy he's there. I think he'll be better than the end of the Gus era and better than whatever it was they did the last couple of years. I also know he's a scumbag human and controversy follows him wherever he goes. He'll recruit well, his twitter account will be taken away, he'll win more than he loses. Whatever. We need to get good enough that it doesn't matter to us.

[Johnson85]

This thread is fun. We have some people who, when he was at Ole Miss, said not to worry about the recruiting b/c he couldn't coach now saying he's Vince Lombardi reincarnated. And we have some who said he was a great coach back then now saying he's not that great. I remember when people were making fun of his WRs showing up at the combine or for NFL training camp not even knowing basic route trees.

I don't know what he'll be at Auburn. I'm not happy he's there. I think he'll be better than the end of the Gus era and better than whatever it was they did the last couple of years. I also know he's a scumbag human and controversy follows him wherever he goes. He'll recruit well, his twitter account will be taken away, he'll win more than he loses. Whatever. We need to get good enough that it doesn't matter to us.

He did look like a great coach for a little while. Like most coaches, he has a ceiling and it's below Saban's. I think he and Lane are very similar. Good on offense and sometimes sacrifice defense, but with the right defensive coordinator certainly can have a top defense. Both of them have shown they can elevate a program quickly but have not shown they can maintain a program at a high level beyond a few years. I think Freeze will do better at Auburn than Lane will do at Ole Miss because Auburn is going to buy better players. But I think Lane is at the top of the game offensively now and I'm not sure if Freeze still is. What Freeze did was relatively innovative when he was at ole Miss and now it's not that different than average, and I'm not sure if he's continued to evolve. One plus in Freeze's favor is that he has never really failed at a program (although cracks were showing when he left Ole Miss) and Lane did fail at USC (although I think that was a tougher situation than the USC name would imply b/c of probation).

All in all, I think I'd take Lane if I had to pick. I think Freeze cannot stop being Freeze, and his snake oil salesman christianity and hypocrisy combined with mercenary players is likely to create a locker room problem overtime, and I think being at Auburn will make it more likely and more severe. But it's pretty close to a coin flip. We still don't know if Lane can maintain a program, whereas we know if Freeze can just stop being a 17ing narcissistic weirdo he'll be fine. But a tiger changing his stripes is hard, so I'll go with Lane.

[Schultzy]

We could beat them down there this year. I’m 2-0 in games attended down there so I’m going so y’all can worry about him later.

[Turfdawg67]

I don't recall one person being skeptical about Freeze's recruiting. Do you just invent stuff to start a Freeze thread? Click bait topic?? Of course he was going to recruit well... Freeze + Auburn + Boosters + "A license to pay players legally" = Blue Chip players. Simple math.

[bigbub50]

The battles I saw holding freeze back at Auburn were 1) not being able to recruit well, because of his tarnished yet well deserved poor reputation. I wouldn?t want my kid going there and 2) he has to have a good defensive coordinator.

He is showing he can overcome #1 thus far. But still, I don?t think he is picky with character and tells recruits anything they want to hear and that will eventually implode a program.

But in the short term, he doesn?t have an elite qb and the depth of the roster at auburn is not near what it usually is.

[Turfdawg67]

The battles I saw holding freeze back at Auburn were 1) not being able to recruit well, because of his tarnished yet well deserved poor reputation. I wouldn?t want my kid going there and 2) he has to have a good defensive coordinator.

He is showing he can overcome #1 thus far. But still, I don?t think he is picky with character and tells recruits anything they want to hear and that will eventually implode a program.

But in the short term, he doesn?t have an elite qb and the depth of the roster at auburn is not near what it usually is.

I stand corrected C34, Bub here didn't think recruits would play for Freeze. LOL! Thanks for being a moral based parent. $250K+ changes a lot of doubts in the vast majority.

[bigbub50]

I stand corrected C34, Bub here didn't think recruits would play for Freeze. LOL! Thanks for being a moral based parent. $250K+ changes a lot of doubts in the vast majority.

Okay, fair enough. If auburn was willing to pay my kid a large amount more than the next sec school, maybe. Money talks. But all things equal I?d greatly encourage him to go elsewhere.

[Schultzy]

When is the next signing day and are UGA and Alabama conceding the recruits

Question mark

[coachnorm]

The name of the game is NIL funding and Auburn has HISTORY. Remember a guy named Bobby Lowder an affiliate who oversaw the payouts of Auburn players thru a money laundering method at nearby casinos? Now there is no need to launder money with the advent of corporate NIL. College collectives are not even in the discussion.

Being that Auburn is experienced with the Cassino Culture, an acquaintance with the Las Vegas Garaspi Family or N.Y. Genovese Family could be business as usual. Do not forget the Saudi Private Investment Firm which is encroaching American Sports.

I can not think of anyone else that would fit in better with those three examples, in second paragraph, than Hugh Freeze. When those types of people gather, money can be exchanged outside the COLLECTIVE method. When money is exchanged talent is acquired so who needs to be a great recruiter with that type of NIL support?

[Coach34]

Okay, fair enough. If auburn was willing to pay my kid a large amount more than the next sec school, maybe. Money talks. But all things equal I?d greatly encourage him to go elsewhere.

Alot of recruits come from broken homes and such. They dont give a shit about Freeze's past. It's all about NIL and helping them to the NFL.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Freeze's biggest recruiting advantage in the past is now legal for everyone to do. He will be average to good, not great.

[DownwardDawg]

Freeze's biggest recruiting advantage in the past is now legal for everyone to do. He will be average to good, not great.

This is what I think also. I think people are just disregarding the fact of how bad he cheated to get his players. Now he has to outspend everyone else openly.

[TrapGame]

This is what I think also. I think people are just disregarding the fact of how bad he cheated to get his players. Now he has to outspend everyone else openly.

And the SEC no longer having a West and an East starting next season is going to help him a lot. He could easily make AU a playoff team in the expanded playoffs.

[confucius say]

And the SEC no longer having a West and an East starting next season is going to help him a lot. He could easily make AU a playoff team in the expanded playoffs.

Which is where Malzahn had them several times. I don't expect freeze to do anything Malzahn didn't do.