State and NCAA Baseball

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

2024 will tell the tale on Lemon. He either gets it done or he doesnt.

Why should he get a 3rd chance? Why is back to back missing Hoover (which hasn't happened in decades, even the end of Polk 2) not enough for us to move on?

Why SHOULD "Lemonizick" get a 3rd season but not say, Moorhead?

I also wonder why you retired your little nickname for him

[msstate7]

Top 5 in the SEC? Yeah, we can do that. LSU, Candy, Fla are definitely ahead of us. UPig, Us, SC, Mississippi, Tenn all grouped together. Tenn doesnt have the history but they have momentum and certainly viewed as a top SEC program right now.

Nationally, it's LSU, Texas, Miami, Oregon St, Candy, Fla, UCLA then about 20 teams including us rounding out the top 25-26 programs

Tenn shouldn't even be in the conversation, but they got an elite coach. Lemonis seems to pull us down, not elevate us like Vitello

[99jc]

Nobody is defending it. He doesnt make it happen next year he's gone. Pretty cut and dry

The problem i have is we just wasted another year when anyone with common sense can see he is Moorhead 2.0

[Tater]

Why should he get a 3rd chance? Why is back to back missing Hoover (which hasn't happened in decades, even the end of Polk 2) not enough for us to move on?

Why SHOULD "Lemonizick" get a 3rd season but not say, Moorhead?

I also wonder why you retired your little nickname for him

Because he's the only coach in State history to win it all. The. Only. One.

And Coach seems to have had a life reflection since his NDE, and has decided to see the positive side of things in life instead of being so damn negative all the time. He probably learned life is too short to be focused on negatives, and rather enjoy all the positives we do have because that is a way better outlook on life.

People can change opinions and grow, even in old age. That's a good quality to have and more people need to have it.

[Saltydog]

Why should he get a 3rd chance? Why is back to back missing Hoover (which hasn't happened in decades, even the end of Polk 2) not enough for us to move on?

Why SHOULD "Lemonizick" get a 3rd season but not say, Moorhead?

I also wonder why you retired your little nickname for him

You didn't get the memo? We had to keep the crootin' class together, wink, wink.......

[Dawgface]

Why should he get a 3rd chance? Why is back to back missing Hoover (which hasn't happened in decades, even the end of Polk 2) not enough for us to move on?

Why SHOULD "Lemonizick" get a 3rd season but not say, Moorhead?

I also wonder why you retired your little nickname for him

Lemonizick did guide us to our first and only NC. That's the only reason. But I too wanted him gone.

[Ezsoil]

Tenn shouldn't even be in the conversation, but they got an elite coach. Lemonis seems to pull us down, not elevate us like Vitello

I wouldn't say that Vitello elevates anyone.....his teams are absolute trash as far as character goes and that lack of character is why they choke every post season.

[msstate7]

I wouldn't say that Vitello elevates anyone.....his teams are absolute trash as far as character goes and that lack of character is why they choke every post season.

They literally made the CWS this season. He's an outstanding coach

[Coach34]

Why should he get a 3rd chance? Why is back to back missing Hoover (which hasn't happened in decades, even the end of Polk 2) not enough for us to move on?

Why SHOULD "Lemonizick" get a 3rd season but not say, Moorhead?

I also wonder why you retired your little nickname for him

Moorhead was fired over off the field issues- same as Stands. That's just not tolerated in StarkVegas

[Coach34]

Tenn shouldn't even be in the conversation, but they got an elite coach. Lemonis seems to pull us down, not elevate us like Vitello

But they are. They have gone CWS, Super, CWS the last 3 seasons. They are pumping money into baseball. Right now- they are viewed as a top SEC baseball program.

[msstate7]

But they are. They have gone CWS, Super, CWS the last 3 seasons. They are pumping money into baseball. Right now- they are viewed as a top SEC baseball program.

I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying if you flipped our coaches, Tenn is still garbage and we're right there with the elites

[CaptainObvious]

I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying if you flipped our coaches, Tenn is still garbage and we're right there with the elites

Wait. Are you saying Lemonis would Coach Tennessee the way Polk II coached <his boys> at State, and Vitello would Coach State players to practice and play with a hard edge and a chip on their shoulders pushing the limits of friendly competition to more of a Forceful Intimidation?

I think I might prefer the latter.

[BuckyIsAB****]

He wasn't. But can you do the same when Will has a bad game?? Nvm I know the answer. Wr suck. Line sucks. Something.

He played the worst game of his career in the egg bowl and we won. The WRs did suck. Especially the outside guys all year long. Both are facts

[Cowbell]

Some of you seem to need a history lesson on baseball.

NCAA Baseball Titles 1976-2000

Pac-12- 9 titles
SEC- 6....LSU with 5 and Georgia 1
Big 12- 2
Cal-State Fullerton- 3
ACC/Miami- 3
Wichita State- 1
Pepperdine- 1

Before 2000- SEC success was LSU. State was a Top 20 program. From 1976-2000 State did not have 1 losing season and only 2 since 1960. The SEC did not care about baseball. Then 2000 got here and it all changed.

2001-2023:

SEC- 9 (6 different teams)
Pac 12- 5
ACC- 2
Big 12- 2
Coastal 1
Rice- 1
Fresno State- 1
Fullerton- 1

Since 2001- we have had 5 losing seasons. We have had 1 SEC title since 1990. ONE in the last 33 years. To act the way some of you do is puzzling to me. We are a Top 20 program but we arent LSU. 1 SEC title in the last 33 years. We arent a Top 5 program that should be in Omaha every year. The SEC has gotten tougher and its extremely competitive. As in football now- money and the town of StarkVegas come into play in recruiting. It's not 1989 anymore when our stadium is way better than everybody else's. It's a different animal than it was when Polk coached.

2024 will tell the tale on Lemon. He either gets it done or he doesnt.

I agree with you on a lot of things but this is some Everette level thinking

[Cowbell]

I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying if you flipped our coaches, Tenn is still garbage and we're right there with the elites

This is correct

[Cowbell]

Top 5 in the SEC? Yeah, we can do that. LSU, Candy, Fla are definitely ahead of us. UPig, Us, SC, Mississippi, Tenn all grouped together. Tenn doesnt have the history but they have momentum and certainly viewed as a top SEC program right now.

Nationally, it's LSU, Texas, Miami, Oregon St, Candy, Fla, UCLA then about 20 teams including us rounding out the top 25-26 programs

You cannot reward Tennessee for their recent momentum (due to a new coach) while at the same time discounting our fall from success. That's a double standard. Tennessee is not the baseball program we are year in and out. Period.

[Coach34]

You cannot reward Tennessee for their recent momentum (due to a new coach) while at the same time discounting our fall from success. That's a double standard. Tennessee is not the baseball program we are year in and out. Period.

I'm talking perception and the way recruits look the programs. Auburn is pretty much the same. Both programs have alot of momentum but Tenn is the sexy girl right now.

Our last 2 seasons have nothing to do with my view of us. We havent won the SEC in 33 years. Facts is facts my man. Thank goodness we finally got a championship but so does Coastal Carolina. Our fans put too much stock in crowds. SC football has great attendance also- but that doesnt elevate their football standing. What does? Winning big games

[Quaoarsking]

Our last 2 seasons have nothing to do with my view of us. We havent won the SEC in 33 years. Facts is facts my man.

2016 was 33 years ago?

[The Federalist Engineer]

I agree with you on a lot of things but this is some Everette level thinking

This is Larry Templeton endorsed thinking. This is how one would justify how MSU nearly destroyed baseball in the 2000s.

The decline in performance was malpractice and incompetence, not destiny

[maroonmania]

2016 was 33 years ago?

Exactly, C34 can't remember an SEC baseball championship from just 7 years ago? And we have historically held our own recruiting against LSU in baseball when our program is performing like it should. Hard to recruit against any top program right now with our results from the past 2 seasons. That's the main issue. Even when LSU has not been at the top.of the league I can't ever remember them falling to the absolute bottom like we have the last 2 years