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[SilentSteel16]

Totally different? Lol. It's an overhead throwing motion. The stress is the same. They throw footballs every single day multiple times during practice. You don't throw weighted balls off the mound. They are usually thrown during the warmup phase. Driveline specifically recommends from 10 to 90 feet then switch to a 5 oz after for max distance and the pull down portion of long toss. I highly doubt Alan Jaegar one of the best arm care guys in the world would even recommend using weighted balls, let alone allow them to use his name and bands in their peer-reviewed studies if he didn't think they were healthy.

Yes it is a totally different arm motion and even starting point for wrist. Which in turn puts a different torque on your elbow. I dealt professionally on this not getting into it with a JV football coach. Take your troll shit elsewhere.

[SilentSteel16]

Totally different? Lol. It's an overhead throwing motion. The stress is the same. They throw footballs every single day multiple times during practice. You don't throw weighted balls off the mound. They are usually thrown during the warmup phase. Driveline specifically recommends from 10 to 90 feet then switch to a 5 oz after for max distance and the pull down portion of long toss. I highly doubt Alan Jaegar one of the best arm care guys in the world would even recommend using weighted balls, let alone allow them to use his name and bands in their peer-reviewed studies if he didn't think they were healthy.

You are talking about a release point that is entirely 45 degrees at a minimum different rotation. So YES totally different motion and strain on the elbow. Which is a UCL FYI.

Weighted balls have there place as do rest days but as stated earlier, that is his personal routine he utilizes. Which in turn will continue to mount health concerns.

[SilentSteel16]

If you are throwing a weighted ball up to 90 feet then you deserve what you get. If you are allowing a kid to throw a weighted ball over 50 feet you are destroying elbows. The proper use for Pylos are for warming up and short tosses. NOT for full motion and flex from a mound. But I digress……

[BrunswickDawg]

Football, not even close to the same.

Worked for Maddux, Glavine, & Smoltz. Tom House and Leo Mazzone were big believers in using footballs to help stretch out pitchers.

[SilentSteel16]

Yes they were so you want to know why? Because it would do just that, stretch out your arm WITHOUT wear and tear on your elbow. Totally different throwing motion. It is common practice on Day 3 (1st day of throwing) to long toss with a football. The reason is for working legs and back without straining elbow.

[Jarius]

Worked for Maddux, Glavine, & Smoltz. Tom House and Leo Mazzone were big believers in using footballs to help stretch out pitchers.

I am no Dr., but it seems there would be way more surgeries for TJ in football for quarterbacks if the throwing motions were the same.

[Tripp McNeely]

The biggest problem are kids/pitchers throwing way too much at early ages. Especially curve balls.

My 13 year old nephew, who plays travel ball, was told yesterday that he might have to have a TJ procedure!! It's CRIMINAL how much kids are throwing nowadays at such young ages!!

[Johnson85]

My 13 year old nephew, who plays travel ball, was told yesterday that he might have to have a TJ procedure!! It's CRIMINAL how much kids are throwing nowadays at such young ages!!

That just means his coaches are thinking ahead. Go ahead and get it out the way now so he doesn't have his college or pro career derailed.**

[HancockCountyDog]

I hope that NIL money cleared.

[State82]

Totally different? Lol. It's an overhead throwing motion. The stress is the same. They throw footballs every single day multiple times during practice. You don't throw weighted balls off the mound. They are usually thrown during the warmup phase. Driveline specifically recommends from 10 to 90 feet then switch to a 5 oz after for max distance and the pull down portion of long toss. I highly doubt Alan Jaegar one of the best arm care guys in the world would even recommend using weighted balls, let alone allow them to use his name and bands in their peer-reviewed studies if he didn't think they were healthy.

Might be best to listen to SilentSteel16. Just saying.

[State82]

The biggest problem are kids/pitchers throwing way too much at early ages. Especially curve balls.

Absolutely it is.

[Goldendawg]

I am no Dr., but it seems there would be way more surgeries for TJ in football for quarterbacks if the throwing motions were the same.

No expert on this at all. My 1st cousin's son was a recent starter at MSU his entire career, ( but not a pitcher, although he pitched some in HS) and he was engaged in travel ball at an early young age through HS. Could some of this "year round activity" be contributing to more pitcher arm issues at college level? Saw another cousin's son who is junior HS catcher and he has recently had arm surgery.

[basedog]

My 13 year old nephew, who plays travel ball, was told yesterday that he might have to have a TJ procedure!! It's CRIMINAL how much kids are throwing nowadays at such young ages!!

I hate hearing this but they have come a long ways with TJ surgery. Way too much travel ball, back in my day there was no such thing except playing all star games. Not only that but kids didn’t just play one sport. It’s not just travel ball for boys but girls playing travel ball in soccer and volleyball.

[Johnson85]

I hate hearing this but they have come a long ways with TJ surgery. Way too much travel ball, back in my day there was no such thing except playing all star games. Not only that but kids didn’t just play one sport. It’s not just travel ball for boys but girls playing travel ball in soccer and volleyball.

I don't know how they handle pitch counts, but I'm amazed at how many tournaments 9-10 year olds play in the fall now. I'm amazed at how many 7 & 8 year olds play too, but that's at least coach pitch, so they aren't stressing their arm pitching. They will have played as many games before they get to Jr. High as people my age played by the time the went to college.

[SilentSteel16]

I hate travel ball, there are some very good and kid centered coaches(CComet) but those are few and far between. A lot of the times these coaches are has beens or never was and are living through these kids. IT IS NOT ALL ON THE COACHES THOUGH. PARENTS are just as bad, trust me, your kid missing a weekend in his 3rd tournament in 9 days to rest his arm are NOT going to hurt his draft stock. Parents run their kids out there and overpowered coaches with no backbone to the kids detriment.

There are a lot of kids coming close to 100 IP in a summer in some of these teams. And it starts young.

[CoachT14]

Yes it is a totally different arm motion and even starting point for wrist. Which in turn puts a different torque on your elbow. I dealt professionally on this not getting into it with a JV football coach. Take your troll shit elsewhere.

Not a JV football coach... carry on. Of course it is slightly different, just as each throwing motion made is slightly different with slightly less or more stressors at different points.

[CoachT14]

Might be best to listen to SilentSteel16. Just saying.

I'm not exactly a non-expert either. I've been coaching baseball for long enough to hold this discussion.

[CoachT14]

If you are throwing a weighted ball up to 90 feet then you deserve what you get. If you are allowing a kid to throw a weighted ball over 50 feet you are destroying elbows. The proper use for Pylos are for warming up and short tosses. NOT for full motion and flex from a mound. But I digress??

I agree on the proper use for plyos. That's all I've ever used them for... to build arm strength and help build the posterior shoulder muscles to help in the deceleration process of the arm after ball release. Where do most UCL tears happen? The posterior shoulder muscles not being able to properly decel the arm. Hence using plyos to help build that.

Weighted balls do put more pressure on the elbow if misused. That's obvious. Using them out to 90 feet for light toss while arching out to long toss isn't misuse.

We can easily have a conversation of how specialization and year round travel ball is the actual problem behind the rise in UCL tears. Weighted balls are just an easy culprit for people who don't understand biomechanics.

[CoachT14]

I hate travel ball, there are some very good and kid centered coaches(CComet) but those are few and far between. A lot of the times these coaches are has beens or never was and are living through these kids. IT IS NOT ALL ON THE COACHES THOUGH. PARENTS are just as bad, trust me, your kid missing a weekend in his 3rd tournament in 9 days to rest his arm are NOT going to hurt his draft stock. Parents run their kids out there and overpowered coaches with no backbone to the kids detriment.

There are a lot of kids coming close to 100 IP in a summer in some of these teams. And it starts young.

You and I can 100% agree on this. There's a reason so many kids from the States are struggling to make it in the pros. Pressure from family, injuries from years of misuse, and burnout from playing so much at a young age.

[sandjunky]

The biggest problem are kids/pitchers throwing way too much at early ages. Especially curve balls.

This is ignorant- a properly thrown fastball produces more stress on your arm than a properly thrown curveball

No the problem with all the injuries is kids taking too much time off from throwing entirely (which id ****ing stupid) returning to throw and ramping up entirely too quick - because their velo isn?t where it was when they shut it down