Dave bartoo's contenders

[CadaverDawg]

Bartoo's biggest problem in the matrix is that he doesn't reevaluate recruiting rankings each year. In other words, the year Bernardrick McKinney and Johnthan Banks were Juniors, they were still 2 stars in Bartoo's matrix. No algorithm will be very accurate if one of the metrics is flawed to that extent.

Other examples, this years team has 2 Star Fitzgerald at QB, 3 Star McLaurin at S, etc....if re-ranked, both would be 4 stars at minimum. And there are many other examples as well. I'm also pretty sure His matrix also doesn't factor in guys that are no longer on the team....so you have an Ole Miss getting credit for Shea Patterson, Van Jefferson, etc.

To me, this not factoring in player development or not re-rating players, kills the matrix completely

[ShotgunDawg]

Bartoo's biggest problem in the matrix is that he doesn't reevaluate recruiting rankings each year. In other words, the year Bernardrick McKinney and Johnthan Banks were Juniors, they were still 2 stars in Bartoo's matrix. No algorithm will be very accurate if one of the metrics is flawed to that extent.

Other examples, this years team has 2 Star Fitzgerald at QB, 3 Star McLaurin at S, etc....if re-ranked, both would be 4 stars at minimum. And there are many other examples as well. I'm also pretty sure His matrix also doesn't factor in guys that are no longer on the team....so you have an Ole Miss getting credit for Shea Patterson, Van Jefferson, etc.

To me, this not factoring in player development or not re-rating players, kills the matrix completely

100% agree.

In Bartoo's defense though, if his system already works at an adequate level, is it worth the extra effort to update all the rosters & is he a good enough evaluator or is there enough information on what to systematically update the player's evaluations too in order to make a more accurate system?

I believe Bartoo's current system works pretty well, but MSU may be the epitome of teams that has players out produce & play their recruiting ranking.

[CadaverDawg]

100% agree.

In Bartoo's defense though, if his system already works at an adequate level, is it worth the extra effort to update all the rosters & is he a good enough evaluator or is there enough information on what to systematically update the player's evaluations too in order to make a more accurate system?

I believe Bartoo's current system works pretty well, but MSU may be the epitome of teams that has players out produce & play their recruiting ranking.

Any system with Tennessee as a contender in 2018, is not "accurate". They play both UGA and Bama, have a new coach with no head coaching experience, no QB, and were 4-8 last year. Having them as a contender is a credibility killer in my opinion.

[ShotgunDawg]

Any system with Tennessee as a contender in 2018, is not "accurate". They play both UGA and Bama, have a new coach with no head coaching experience, no QB, and were 4-8 last year. Having them as a contender is a credibility killer in my opinion.

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[gravedigger]

Bartoo's biggest problem in the matrix is that he doesn't reevaluate recruiting rankings each year. In other words, the year Bernardrick McKinney and Johnthan Banks were Juniors, they were still 2 stars in Bartoo's matrix. No algorithm will be very accurate if one of the metrics is flawed to that extent.

Other examples, this years team has 2 Star Fitzgerald at QB, 3 Star McLaurin at S, etc....if re-ranked, both would be 4 stars at minimum. And there are many other examples as well. I'm also pretty sure His matrix also doesn't factor in guys that are no longer on the team....so you have an Ole Miss getting credit for Shea Patterson, Van Jefferson, etc.

To me, this not factoring in player development or not re-rating players, kills the matrix completely

^^^^^^^^^^^^ this,this,this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is a severe flaw and if someone ever accounted for it, they might cause some problems for Vegas until they corrected it. It is why we went to Atlanta in 1998. Sometimes (meaning rarely) a team lands a class that is quite special even though it's not rated highly. That team has an affect over 4-5 years. Then there are times a team has a dud that is rated highly (Texas, Tennessee, etc) and they negatively affect classes for 2-3 years. This is never reflected later and should be.

I dont think I've ever witnessed something so counter-intuitive in my life. So many people just assume that the rankings passed out before the kid ever hits the D1 field should mean success for years to come and vice versa.

[Commercecomet24]

Bartoo's biggest problem in the matrix is that he doesn't reevaluate recruiting rankings each year. In other words, the year Bernardrick McKinney and Johnthan Banks were Juniors, they were still 2 stars in Bartoo's matrix. No algorithm will be very accurate if one of the metrics is flawed to that extent.

Other examples, this years team has 2 Star Fitzgerald at QB, 3 Star McLaurin at S, etc....if re-ranked, both would be 4 stars at minimum. And there are many other examples as well. I'm also pretty sure His matrix also doesn't factor in guys that are no longer on the team....so you have an Ole Miss getting credit for Shea Patterson, Van Jefferson, etc.

To me, this not factoring in player development or not re-rating players, kills the matrix completely

Right on, CD!