Baseball the last 10 years....

[ScoobaDawg]

We're an elite fan base, not program. But, we're still a top 20 program. Probably top 15. Hire a legit coach and we're top 5-10. Our last three head coaches screwed us over a bit.

I agree....

]If it is true that we are in on either Tadlock or McDonnell, then that is elite company.[/B] Our drought has been painfully long though. That is a valid argument for the "we are no longer elite" crowd. hard to argue that point. The thing that makes us elite though is that once we are winning like we are capable of, we will once again have by far, the most awesome crowds (again) in college baseball and the atmosphere at DNF will be unmatched and it won't even be close. MSU baseball is a ticking time bomb waiting to explode. That cannot be questioned.

If we score an elite level coach like is being speculated, it shows again how we are viewed across the baseball community. We might be "down" as a program..but we can get back up pretty quick if an elite level coach comes in.. stays an elite coach and doesn't fizzle out.. and stays with us for at least 5 years. I think we get back in the championship game again.

[dawgs]

We are like LSU football pre-Saban or maybe bama between stallings and Saban. Make the right hire and we could be a dominant program, perhaps THE dominant program. Much like bama commits more $$$ to football than anyone else, we have the fan support to commit financially to baseball in a way that literally no one else in the country would be willing to match (for the P5 programs capable of matching) or capable of matching (for the non-P5 programs that are good at baseball like cal st Fullerton and coastal Carolina types).

And yet some of y'all are worried about paying $1.5M+ for the right coach. If we think that coach can come in and turn the program around like Saban did at LSU and at bama, $1.5M+ is a bargain and would more than pay for itself.

[Liverpooldawg]

At the end of this year we will have 5 losing seasons in the last 10 years, that's not debatable. At what point are you in danger of not being an "elite" program? It's past time for some urgency around this program.

We aren't an Elite program. It's debatable if we ever have been. We do have elite fan support for baseball. Just my two cents as someone who isn't a baseball fan.

[ShotgunDawg]

We are the Tennessee football of college baseball, but without a natty

We have some of the same dynamics, issues, challenges, strengths, & weaknesses.

I say that as most times it's easier to see yourself from the outside-in vs the inside out.

[preachermatt83]

We are the Tennessee football of college baseball, but without a natty

We have some of the same dynamics, issues, challenges, strengths, & weaknesses.

I say that as most times it's easier to see yourself from the outside-in vs the inside out.

This is actually a good comparison

[dawgs]

We are the Tennessee football of college baseball, but without a natty

We have some of the same dynamics, issues, challenges, strengths, & weaknesses.

I say that as most times it's easier to see yourself from the outside-in vs the inside out.

I think we have a higher ceiling than 2018 Tennessee football tbh. Mainly because the competition in baseball isn't near what it is in football, and while neyland is huge, it's not particularly nice.

[Bully13]

I think we have a higher ceiling than 2018 Tennessee football tbh. Mainly because the competition in baseball isn't near what it is in football, and while neyland is huge, it's not particularly nice.

I went to the FL game the year they won the natty. seats were pretty high and I've never felt so cramped in my life and I weighed 145 back then. how some of those big and overweight folks get their asses to fit in those tiny seats I'll never know.

[The Federalist Engineer]

MSU is a 55-million-dollar fanbase with Cleveland Brown level management

When people that know me personally see my fan-hood to MSU baseball they ask me how many titles we have? That's a painful question.

Don't interpret this as burning JC as the AD today...I'm mostly talking Templeton

[Todd4State]

We SHOULD be better in baseball than we are. Baseball has the most resources relatively speaking of all of the sports programs- unfortunately I'd have to say it has also been arguably the worst managed.

It all started when we decided to bring Polk back again. Pick a year- 1992 or 2002. I'm starting with 2002 for this post. Polk gradually ran our program into the ground and created a non-competitive soft environment. We had that lingering around for seven years. Now we're to the 10 years that the OP is about....

Years 1-2 were massive rebuild years from the seven years that Polk was here. We had to essentially start from scratch to modernize our recruiting. On top of that we had a lot of our own fans against Cohen not to mention Ole Miss, USM, and Ron Polk himself among others. Somehow by 2011 we made a SR. A lot of it was because while we lacked elite talent we had changed our image from soft to hard nosed and tough. The next two years- SEC Tournament Championship and then the high mark of the Cohen era the CWS Finals.

Then for some reason our players let their success get to their head and while we made a regional in 2014 we had the third losing season the next year in 2015. I'm assuming that around this time was when Cohen started to think about moving to administration.

2016 we made a comeback and won the SEC but the craziness that goes on to this day had started- Butch left in the offseason, we hired Wes and then pitchers started to get hurt. Mingione left in the offseason and then Cohen moved up to AD and we hired Cann. On top of it all we were building a new stadium causing a lot of challenges with practice and a long road schedule looming.

2017 was a good year as we made a SR and it looked like we had a star coach in the making. And then we had his scandal occur which is where we are now. So, to recap:

2009- losing season Thanks Ron!
2010- losing season Thanks Ron!
2011- SR
2012- SEC Tournament Champs
2013- CWS Finals
2014- Regionals
2015- WTF Cohen?
2016- SEC Champs/SR
2017- SR
2018- WTF Cann? Henderson-ing.

So, if you look at it we actually have four losing seasons the last ten assuming we have a losing season this year. The rest of the seasons have been for the most part good though- and certainly at a level of minimum expectation. And that for me is a SR appearance.

What we have very obviously lacked is stability. And that's why it is best for us to start over with a new staff and everything because while this year sucks I don't think we are so far gone where a new coach wouldn't be able to come in and turn things around within a year or two of hire. We need to find someone that can get elite talent and also at the same time instill toughness in our team because right now we are soft again. I think it happens this offseason but we'll see.

[AusTexDawg]

So, to recap:

2009- losing season Thanks Ron!
2010- losing season Thanks Ron!
2011- SR
2012- SEC Tournament Champs
2013- CWS Finals
2014- Regionals
2015- WTF Cohen?
2016- SEC Champs/SR
2017- SR
2018- WTF Cann? Henderson-ing.

To me, 2015 is 2/3 due to "WTF Cohen" and at least 1/3 due to changing of the seams on the ball. The leadership and/or chemistry on the 2014-2015 teams dropped off 2013. Add the seam change that made pitchers like Ross Mitchell completely ineffective and you get what I remember as the year of why-didn't-you-turn-off-the-game-before-the-inevitable-8th-inning-meltdown.

What we have very obviously lacked is stability. And that's why it is best for us to start over with a new staff and everything because while this year sucks I don't think we are so far gone where a new coach wouldn't be able to come in and turn things around within a year or two of hire. We need to find someone that can get elite talent and also at the same time instill toughness in our team because right now we are soft again.

^This

[Ifyouonlyknew]

We SHOULD be better in baseball than we are. Baseball has the most resources relatively speaking of all of the sports programs- unfortunately I'd have to say it has also been arguably the worst managed.

It all started when we decided to bring Polk back again. Pick a year- 1992 or 2002. I'm starting with 2002 for this post. Polk gradually ran our program into the ground and created a non-competitive soft environment. We had that lingering around for seven years. Now we're to the 10 years that the OP is about....

Years 1-2 were massive rebuild years from the seven years that Polk was here. We had to essentially start from scratch to modernize our recruiting. On top of that we had a lot of our own fans against Cohen not to mention Ole Miss, USM, and Ron Polk himself among others. Somehow by 2011 we made a SR. A lot of it was because while we lacked elite talent we had changed our image from soft to hard nosed and tough. The next two years- SEC Tournament Championship and then the high mark of the Cohen era the CWS Finals.

Then for some reason our players let their success get to their head and while we made a regional in 2014 we had the third losing season the next year in 2015. I'm assuming that around this time was when Cohen started to think about moving to administration.

2016 we made a comeback and won the SEC but the craziness that goes on to this day had started- Butch left in the offseason, we hired Wes and then pitchers started to get hurt. Mingione left in the offseason and then Cohen moved up to AD and we hired Cann. On top of it all we were building a new stadium causing a lot of challenges with practice and a long road schedule looming.

2017 was a good year as we made a SR and it looked like we had a star coach in the making. And then we had his scandal occur which is where we are now. So, to recap:

2009- losing season Thanks Ron!
2010- losing season Thanks Ron!
2011- SR
2012- SEC Tournament Champs
2013- CWS Finals
2014- Regionals
2015- WTF Cohen?
2016- SEC Champs/SR
2017- SR
2018- WTF Cann? Henderson-ing.

So, if you look at it we actually have four losing seasons the last ten assuming we have a losing season this year. The rest of the seasons have been for the most part good though- and certainly at a level of minimum expectation. And that for me is a SR appearance.

What we have very obviously lacked is stability. And that's why it is best for us to start over with a new staff and everything because while this year sucks I don't think we are so far gone where a new coach wouldn't be able to come in and turn things around within a year or two of hire. We need to find someone that can get elite talent and also at the same time instill toughness in our team because right now we are soft again. I think it happens this offseason but we'll see.

That stretch looks more like Auburn football than TN football. Look at Auburn from 2010 to now. Only difference is they won their championship.

[Bodaski]

Actually, both baseball and men's basketball have taken a slide back in the last 10 years. Vic's success in women's basketball has helped ease the pain in men's basketball, but that doesn't erase the fact we have a uphill battle in both sports, but its doable. Football has eased some of the pain due to the clout you gain in football by being part of the SEC. Again, when you compare the football team and its success against top 25 opponents over the past 10 years, we are still looking up trying to compete with top 25 teams. Mullen did a lot at MSU, but we still proved we aren't quiet there yet. I'm hoping JoMo leads us forward to sustaining our place in the top 25 to top 20.