Baseball the last 10 years....

[Leroy Jenkins]

At the end of this year we will have 5 losing seasons in the last 10 years, that's not debatable. At what point are you in danger of not being an "elite" program? It's past time for some urgency around this program.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I wouldn't say we are an elite program, and haven't been since before 2000. We could return to be an elite program, but it would take a steady climb to get to something sustainable.
If Cohen had stayed as a coach, we may be there now.
Now this all changes if we wouldn't have swung at every high fastball we saw against UCLA for two games.

[BrunswickDawg]

I know this isn't popular, but we haven't been an elite program since about 1990. Should have let Polk leave when he tried to in '92 to run USA Baseball and his war with the NCAA began. His focus wasn't on program building and it put us behind while LSU built a powerhouse. We have never truly recovered to the late '70s to early '90s level since.

[Cooterpoot]

We're an elite fan base, not program. But, we're still a top 20 program. Probably top 15. Hire a legit coach and we're top 5-10. Our last three head coaches screwed us over a bit.

[BrunswickDawg]

We're an elite fan base, not program. But, we're still a top 20 program. Probably top 15. Hire a legit coach and we're top 5-10. Our last three head coaches screwed us over a bit.

I wouldn't say Cohen screwed us over, but didn't build a solid enough program to able to be resilient. It was still something of a work in progress. I don't know that there are a lot of programs that could handle having what will end up being 4 coaches in 2 years and not suffer for it.

[Cooterpoot]

I wouldn't say Cohen screwed us over, but didn't build a solid enough program to able to be resilient. It was still something of a work in progress. I don't know that there are a lot of programs that could handle having what will end up being 4 coaches in 2 years and not suffer for it.

He absolutely screwed us over with piss poor recruiting and leaving at a terrible time. Wasn't intentional but still hurt us nonetheless.

[msbulldog]

I wouldn't say Cohen screwed us over, but didn't build a solid enough program to able to be resilient. It was still something of a work in progress. I don't know that there are a lot of programs that could handle having what will end up being 4 coaches in 2 years and not suffer for it.

TRUTH!

[Commercecomet24]

We're an elite fan base, not program. But, we're still a top 20 program. Probably top 15. Hire a legit coach and we're top 5-10. Our last three head coaches screwed us over a bit.

Agreed. Good assessment.

[sleepy dawg]

We're an elite fan base, not program. But, we're still a top 20 program. Probably top 15. Hire a legit coach and we're top 5-10. Our last three head coaches screwed us over a bit.

I think this is accurate... depends on what you consider elite. Also, all coaches screw you over a bit. They either failed and had to be fired, they took a job somewhere else or just quit the sport. It would be an extremely rare situation where a coach would leave without any negative impact at all.

[TNDawg35]

I think this is accurate... depends on what you consider elite. Also, all coaches screw you over a bit. They either failed and had to be fired, they took a job somewhere else or just quit the sport. It would be an extremely rare situation where a coach would leave without any negative impact at all.

Ray Tanner says "Hello".... haha

[sleepy dawg]

We're an elite fan base, not program. But, we're still a top 20 program. Probably top 15. Hire a legit coach and we're top 5-10. Our last three head coaches screwed us over a bit.

Ray Tanner says "Hello".... haha

Yep... rare situation.

[Cooterpoot]

I think this is accurate... depends on what you consider elite. Also, all coaches screw you over a bit. They either failed and had to be fired, they took a job somewhere else or just quit the sport. It would be an extremely rare situation where a coach would leave without any negative impact at all.

Polk 2.0 should've never even been a consideration. And really, I should've said the last 4 HCs because Mac took off and was stupid. Cohen really hurt us getting out when he did. He lost his focus and then stuck us with a HC with no experience and poon addiction.

[I seen it dawg]

We're an elite fan base, not program. But, we're still a top 20 program. Probably top 15. Hire a legit coach and we're top 5-10. Our last three head coaches screwed us over a bit.

Bingo

[Bully13]

If it is true that we are in on either Tadlock or McDonnell, then that is elite company. Our drought has been painfully long though. That is a valid argument for the "we are no longer elite" crowd. hard to argue that point. The thing that makes us elite though is that once we are winning like we are capable of, we will once again have by far, the most awesome crowds (again) in college baseball and the atmosphere at DNF will be unmatched and it won't even be close. MSU baseball is a ticking time bomb waiting to explode. That cannot be questioned.

[Commercecomet24]

If it is true that we are in on either Tadlock or McDonnell, then that is elite company. Our drought has been painfully long though. That is a valid argument for the "we are no longer elite" crowd. hard to argue that point. The thing that makes us elite though is that once we are winning like we are capable of, we will once again have by far, the most awesome crowds (again) in college baseball and the atmosphere at DNF will be unmatched and it won't even be close. MSU baseball is a ticking time bomb waiting to explode. That cannot be questioned.

Great post.

[preachermatt83]

If it is true that we are in on either Tadlock or McDonnell, then that is elite company. Our drought has been painfully long though. That is a valid argument for the "we are no longer elite" crowd. hard to argue that point. The thing that makes us elite though is that once we are winning like we are capable of, we will once again have by far, the most awesome crowds (again) in college baseball and the atmosphere at DNF will be unmatched and it won't even be close. MSU baseball is a ticking time bomb waiting to explode. That cannot be questioned.

Excellent post

[Leroy Jenkins]

If it is true that we are in on either Tadlock or McDonnell, then that is elite company. Our drought has been painfully long though. That is a valid argument for the "we are no longer elite" crowd. hard to argue that point. The thing that makes us elite though is that once we are winning like we are capable of, we will once again have by far, the most awesome crowds (again) in college baseball and the atmosphere at DNF will be unmatched and it won't even be close. MSU baseball is a ticking time bomb waiting to explode. That cannot be questioned.

Hope you are right because your reputation is only one generation deep and we are getting close to reaching a tipping point.

[Bully13]

Hope you are right because your reputation is only one generation deep and we are getting close to reaching a tipping point.

if we get Tadlock or McDonnell, that will officially light the fuse. book it.

[Doggie_Style]

we are without a doubt at a fork in the road. If Cohen makes the right hire we are back in business.....if he makes a mediocre hire like the Cann fiasco then we are screwed for a decade...

[dawgs]

we are without a doubt at a fork in the road. If Cohen makes the right hire we are back in business.....if he makes a mediocre hire like the Cann fiasco then we are screwed for a decade...

I don't really blame Cohen for cann. We weren't pulling a proven HC in November after Cohen took the AD gig. Cann appeared to be a good coach with a promising future after 2017. Stacked recruiting classes, a super regional appearance, best stadium in the country incoming, we were all stoked for the future under cann. No one could predict that he wouldn't be able to keep his dick in his pants and would be more interested in sexting his side piece instead of coaching the team heading into year 2. Cohen now has an opportunity to make a hire in the normal course of coaching turnover (vs. a hire after fall practice), and I can't imagine there will be a more desirable gig out there come the end of the season than MSU. I understand why he hired an unknown giving the timing before, but there no excuse to not go get a guy with a proven track record this time around because timing ain't an excuse.

I do think the right hire will turn us around overnight. There is no excuse to not at least be a regional team next year, and by 2020 be competing for a national seed/sec title/CWS spot, and that should be the status quo moving forward. Otherwise why even invest in the facilities like we have if we are going to merely expect a 3 year cycle of losing/mediocre season > regional > maybe CWS > start over. We should be able to restock, not rebuild, and the right hire will have our down years as 2 seeds in a regional, not a losing record.