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Baseball the last 10 years....
At the end of this year we will have 5 losing seasons in the last 10 years, that's not debatable. At what point are you in danger of not being an "elite" program? It's past time for some urgency around this program.
Everyone wants to be a beast...until its time to do what beasts do.
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I wouldn't say we are an elite program, and haven't been since before 2000. We could return to be an elite program, but it would take a steady climb to get to something sustainable.
If Cohen had stayed as a coach, we may be there now.
Now this all changes if we wouldn't have swung at every high fastball we saw against UCLA for two games.
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I know this isn't popular, but we haven't been an elite program since about 1990. Should have let Polk leave when he tried to in '92 to run USA Baseball and his war with the NCAA began. His focus wasn't on program building and it put us behind while LSU built a powerhouse. We have never truly recovered to the late '70s to early '90s level since.
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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We're an elite fan base, not program. But, we're still a top 20 program. Probably top 15. Hire a legit coach and we're top 5-10. Our last three head coaches screwed us over a bit.
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Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
We're an elite fan base, not program. But, we're still a top 20 program. Probably top 15. Hire a legit coach and we're top 5-10. Our last three head coaches screwed us over a bit.
I wouldn't say Cohen screwed us over, but didn't build a solid enough program to able to be resilient. It was still something of a work in progress. I don't know that there are a lot of programs that could handle having what will end up being 4 coaches in 2 years and not suffer for it.
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
We're an elite fan base, not program. But, we're still a top 20 program. Probably top 15. Hire a legit coach and we're top 5-10. Our last three head coaches screwed us over a bit.
Agreed. Good assessment.
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If it is true that we are in on either Tadlock or McDonnell, then that is elite company. Our drought has been painfully long though. That is a valid argument for the "we are no longer elite" crowd. hard to argue that point. The thing that makes us elite though is that once we are winning like we are capable of, we will once again have by far, the most awesome crowds (again) in college baseball and the atmosphere at DNF will be unmatched and it won't even be close. MSU baseball is a ticking time bomb waiting to explode. That cannot be questioned.
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Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
We're an elite fan base, not program. But, we're still a top 20 program. Probably top 15. Hire a legit coach and we're top 5-10. Our last three head coaches screwed us over a bit.
I think this is accurate... depends on what you consider elite. Also, all coaches screw you over a bit. They either failed and had to be fired, they took a job somewhere else or just quit the sport. It would be an extremely rare situation where a coach would leave without any negative impact at all.
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Originally Posted by
sleepy dawg
I think this is accurate... depends on what you consider elite. Also, all coaches screw you over a bit. They either failed and had to be fired, they took a job somewhere else or just quit the sport. It would be an extremely rare situation where a coach would leave without any negative impact at all.
Ray Tanner says "Hello".... haha
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
I wouldn't say Cohen screwed us over, but didn't build a solid enough program to able to be resilient. It was still something of a work in progress. I don't know that there are a lot of programs that could handle having what will end up being 4 coaches in 2 years and not suffer for it.
He absolutely screwed us over with piss poor recruiting and leaving at a terrible time. Wasn't intentional but still hurt us nonetheless.
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Originally Posted by
sleepy dawg
I think this is accurate... depends on what you consider elite. Also, all coaches screw you over a bit. They either failed and had to be fired, they took a job somewhere else or just quit the sport. It would be an extremely rare situation where a coach would leave without any negative impact at all.
Polk 2.0 should've never even been a consideration. And really, I should've said the last 4 HCs because Mac took off and was stupid. Cohen really hurt us getting out when he did. He lost his focus and then stuck us with a HC with no experience and poon addiction.
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Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
We're an elite fan base, not program. But, we're still a top 20 program. Probably top 15. Hire a legit coach and we're top 5-10. Our last three head coaches screwed us over a bit.
Originally Posted by
TNDawg35
Ray Tanner says "Hello".... haha
Yep... rare situation.
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Originally Posted by
Bully13
If it is true that we are in on either Tadlock or McDonnell, then that is elite company. Our drought has been painfully long though. That is a valid argument for the "we are no longer elite" crowd. hard to argue that point. The thing that makes us elite though is that once we are winning like we are capable of, we will once again have by far, the most awesome crowds (again) in college baseball and the atmosphere at DNF will be unmatched and it won't even be close. MSU baseball is a ticking time bomb waiting to explode. That cannot be questioned.
Great post.
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We are like LSU football pre-Saban or maybe bama between stallings and Saban. Make the right hire and we could be a dominant program, perhaps THE dominant program. Much like bama commits more $$$ to football than anyone else, we have the fan support to commit financially to baseball in a way that literally no one else in the country would be willing to match (for the P5 programs capable of matching) or capable of matching (for the non-P5 programs that are good at baseball like cal st Fullerton and coastal Carolina types).
And yet some of y'all are worried about paying $1.5M+ for the right coach. If we think that coach can come in and turn the program around like Saban did at LSU and at bama, $1.5M+ is a bargain and would more than pay for itself.
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Originally Posted by
Leroy Jenkins
At the end of this year we will have 5 losing seasons in the last 10 years, that's not debatable. At what point are you in danger of not being an "elite" program? It's past time for some urgency around this program.
We aren't an Elite program. It's debatable if we ever have been. We do have elite fan support for baseball. Just my two cents as someone who isn't a baseball fan.
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Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
We're an elite fan base, not program. But, we're still a top 20 program. Probably top 15. Hire a legit coach and we're top 5-10. Our last three head coaches screwed us over a bit.
Bingo
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We are the Tennessee football of college baseball, but without a natty
We have some of the same dynamics, issues, challenges, strengths, & weaknesses.
I say that as most times it's easier to see yourself from the outside-in vs the inside out.
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Originally Posted by
Bully13
If it is true that we are in on either Tadlock or McDonnell, then that is elite company. Our drought has been painfully long though. That is a valid argument for the "we are no longer elite" crowd. hard to argue that point. The thing that makes us elite though is that once we are winning like we are capable of, we will once again have by far, the most awesome crowds (again) in college baseball and the atmosphere at DNF will be unmatched and it won't even be close. MSU baseball is a ticking time bomb waiting to explode. That cannot be questioned.
Excellent post
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Originally Posted by
ShotgunDawg
We are the Tennessee football of college baseball, but without a natty
We have some of the same dynamics, issues, challenges, strengths, & weaknesses.
I say that as most times it's easier to see yourself from the outside-in vs the inside out.
This is actually a good comparison
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Originally Posted by
Bully13
If it is true that we are in on either Tadlock or McDonnell, then that is elite company. Our drought has been painfully long though. That is a valid argument for the "we are no longer elite" crowd. hard to argue that point. The thing that makes us elite though is that once we are winning like we are capable of, we will once again have by far, the most awesome crowds (again) in college baseball and the atmosphere at DNF will be unmatched and it won't even be close. MSU baseball is a ticking time bomb waiting to explode. That cannot be questioned.
Hope you are right because your reputation is only one generation deep and we are getting close to reaching a tipping point.
Everyone wants to be a beast...until its time to do what beasts do.
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