Evidence that Dan was shopping himself before the Egg Bowl

[TrapGame]

I still believe Cohen ended Dan's cozy little deal here at State. Dan could intimidate Strick but not Cohen (hence why he was more apt to take the UF gig). Cohen wanted the country Club broken up, Dan to stop whoring himself and recruiting kicked up a couple of notches. Dan saw his ride was over and bailed at the first legit opportunity. If Strick was still our AD, Dan would still be our HC.

[RougeDawg]

I still believe Cohen ended Dan's cozy little deal here at State. Dan could intimidate Strick but not Cohen (hence why he was more apt to take the UF gig). Cohen wanted the country Club broken up, Dan to stop whoring himself and recruiting kicked up a couple of notches. Dan saw his ride was over and bailed at the first legit opportunity. If Strick was still our AD, Dan would still be our HC.

And we have a winner.

[Turfdawg67]

Not to go down this rabbit hole so you can pat your back some more, but you still don't get it. The majority were just saying how your timing sucked not that you were definitely wrong. Just had to be the first with the bad news. Don't see any agenda accusations in those threads. Maybe I missed some of the back story?

[Coach34]

Not to go down this rabbit hole so you can pat your back some more, but you still don't get it. The majority were just saying how your timing sucked not that you were definitely wrong. Just had to be the first with the bad news. Don't see any agenda accusations in those threads. Maybe I missed some of the back story?

agenda was the word used by Liverpool, 7, and others when they didnt like what I was saying about Mullen. I supposedly had some type of crazy agenda aagainst him

[Liverpooldawg]

agenda was the word used by Liverpool, 7, and others when they didnt like what I was saying about Mullen. I supposedly had some type of crazy agenda aagainst him

You WERE awfully sensitive about it. An old preacher at a revival back in the day at my old church had a wise saying: " A bit dog always yelps".

[mstatefan91]

agenda was the word used by Liverpool, 7, and others when they didnt like what I was saying about Mullen. I supposedly had some type of crazy agenda aagainst him

To be honest, it didn't feel like an agenda against Mullen but an agenda against State football... now, I know that isn't really the case, but it felt that way at the time..

[Liverpooldawg]

To be honest, it didn't feel like an agenda against Mullen but an agenda against State football... now, I know that isn't really the case, but it felt that way at the time..

Yep.

[Liverpooldawg]

Mullenites, lol. MSUites is more like it. Mullen is gone. I have no need to defend him now. Have at him. JoMo is the coach now.

[Todd4State]

Mullenites, lol. MSUites is more like it. Mullen is gone. I have no need to defend him now. Have at him. JoMo is the coach now.

Groupthink is not the best thing for MSU in any sport. See MSU baseball circa 1992-2008.

Not to mention how silly you look now. Ranging from "Who could we possibly get that's as good as Dan Mullen?" Answer- one of the top OC and offensive minds in all of college football with a guy that Tennessee hired and is one of the best recruiters in the country who knows the Nick Saban system basically begging for our job who WE turned down. That's right- TENNESSEE had to hire a guy we didn't want. To "Dan Mullen to Maryland isn't true".

It's good to support the program- but high standards must be maintained. And if a coach isn't maintaining those standards whether it be wins/losses, recruiting, looking for jobs indiscriminately or whatever the case may be- that coach should be called out on it rather than blindly defended. There's a big difference in support and sticking your head in the sand.

[Liverpooldawg]

Groupthink is not the best thing for MSU in any sport. See MSU baseball circa 1992-2008.

Not to mention how silly you look now. Ranging from "Who could we possibly get that's as good as Dan Mullen?" Answer- one of the top OC and offensive minds in all of college football with a guy that Tennessee hired and is one of the best recruiters in the country who knows the Nick Saban system basically begging for our job who WE turned down. That's right- TENNESSEE had to hire a guy we didn't want. To "Dan Mullen to Maryland isn't true".

It's good to support the program- but high standards must be maintained. And if a coach isn't maintaining those standards whether it be wins/losses, recruiting, looking for jobs indiscriminately or whatever the case may be- that coach should be called out on it rather than blindly defended. There's a big difference in support and sticking your head in the sand.

If I think the negative outweighs the positive I'll go after a coach. Mullen did a LOT for MSU, and anyone who says otherwise is just either stupid, bitter, or had a personal grudge. Now that he is gone I see no need to defend him. I thought he had faults too, you would be surprised. I just didn't voice them when he was our coach. If he had started losing I would have. He never really did so I defended him. The only group think I see is in this thread.

[Todd4State]

If I think the negative outweighs the positive I'll go after a coach. Mullen did a LOT for MSU, and anyone who says otherwise is just either stupid, bitter, or had a personal grudge. Now that he is gone I see no need to defend him. I thought he had faults too, you would be surprised. I just didn't voice them when he was our coach. If he had started losing I would have. He never really did so I defended him. The only group think I see is in this thread.

My "personal grudge" with Dan has to do with him screwing up Dak's senior night and the Egg Bowl last year while he was looking for jobs to stroke his ego. At the end of the day Dan was average as a coach. And Florida is about to find that out too.

At the end of the day I felt like he had way too much power and was given too much leeway especially under Stricklin. Great in games where we had the talent edge- but he made highly questionable decisions that were Les Miles-esque in close games and big games. In fact in one of his biggest wins in 2014 he almost gave the game away because with about 8 minutes of game time left he felt like it was important to play our back-ups and got us in a situation where a Hail Mary would have beaten us when we dominated the game all night long. His recruiting was average at best- thanks to defensive staff it would have been bad. And he didn't always play the best players- anyone remember Holloway up the middle against Alabama in 2015 on the goal line? LOL. And then he decided to insult our intelligence by saying Holloway played more because of his blocking- only to see the offense instantly improve once Aeris took over because of an injury to Holloway. Thank God Aeris finally learned the playbook and how to block that week.**

[Liverpooldawg]

My "personal grudge" with Dan has to do with him screwing up Dak's senior night and the Egg Bowl last year while he was looking for jobs to stroke his ego. At the end of the day Dan was average as a coach. And Florida is about to find that out too.

At the end of the day I felt like he had way too much power and was given too much leeway especially under Stricklin. Great in games where we had the talent edge- but he made highly questionable decisions that were Les Miles-esque in close games and big games. In fact in one of his biggest wins in 2014 he almost gave the game away because with about 8 minutes of game time left he felt like it was important to play our back-ups and got us in a situation where a Hail Mary would have beaten us when we dominated the game all night long. His recruiting was average at best- thanks to defensive staff it would have been bad. And he didn't always play the best players- anyone remember Holloway up the middle against Alabama in 2015 on the goal line? LOL. And then he decided to insult our intelligence by saying Holloway played more because of his blocking- only to see the offense instantly improve once Aeris took over because of an injury to Holloway. Thank God Aeris finally learned the playbook and how to block that week.**

I actually agree with most of that........I told you would be surprised. I'd add he never could establish a stable staff on the defensive side of the ball. THAT hurt us more than anything you mentioned. The positives still outweighed the negatives. I'm 53, I had pretty much given up on sustained success on the level Mullen brought. I'd never seen it. I also never saw a MSU football coach leave without basically being fired. It was a welcome change. I guess that's why I'm not bitter. I take the long view.

[BuckyIsAB****]

If I think the negative outweighs the positive I'll go after a coach. Mullen did a LOT for MSU, and anyone who says otherwise is just either stupid, bitter, or had a personal grudge. Now that he is gone I see no need to defend him. I thought he had faults too, you would be surprised. I just didn't voice them when he was our coach. If he had started losing I would have. He never really did so I defended him. The only group think I see is in this thread.

We paid him basically 5 mil to lose to South Alabama and BYU. He was in hot water in 2013 and 16

[Coach34]

Mullenites, lol. MSUites is more like it. Mullen is gone. I have no need to defend him now. Have at him. JoMo is the coach now.

There's nothing you can defend. You were wrong as usual.

[Liverpooldawg]

There's nothing you can defend. You were wrong as usual.

Ok 34, you win. He is gone now so I don't care. Enjoy. You know if JoMo is successful the rumors will start again. I for one certainly hope so.

[BrunswickDawg]

Didn't we also take the bus ride to Oxford the day of the game, get beat, and drive back home? P.S. But, but, will he still be the center of attention at the fall SEC meeting with his out of this world, stylish tennis shoes?

Yeah, but I can?t remember what year. Two of the buses collided with each other on the trip back too.

[TUSK]

I gotta ask:

Are you cats pissed at Delane Michaels because he:
1. Left for a better gig?
2. Allowed his search for said gig to compromise his current gig?
3. Shit the bed vs OM and couldn't win "big" games (multiple times)?
4. His demeanor?
5. All of the above/other?

[Bully13]

I gotta ask:

Are you cats pissed at Delane Michaels because he:
1. Left for a better gig?
2. Allowed his search for said gig to compromise his current gig?
3. Shit the bed vs OM and couldn't win "big" games (multiple times)?
4. His demeanor?
5. All of the above/other?

1 NO

2. YES

3. Partially. kinda hard to win when your playing against hired assassins paid to amputate limbs.

4. he's an asshole. nuff said.

[Goldendawg]

I gotta ask:

Are you cats pissed at Delane Michaels because he:
1. Left for a better gig?
2. Allowed his search for said gig to compromise his current gig?
3. Shit the bed vs OM and couldn't win "big" games (multiple times)?
4. His demeanor?
5. All of the above/other?

Just 2 and 3. Hail State!

[Todd4State]

I gotta ask:

Are you cats pissed at Delane Michaels because he:
1. Left for a better gig?
2. Allowed his search for said gig to compromise his current gig?
3. Shit the bed vs OM and couldn't win "big" games (multiple times)?
4. His demeanor?
5. All of the above/other?

1. No.
2. YES. Look, I get that people want to better themselves and we all have probably looked for other jobs at one point in time. But there is a right and a wrong way to do it. Dan did it the wrong way in just about every aspect. I feel like he made it more about "look at all these people that want ME" by putting his name out there all the time. At any rate, you should not let your job search affect how you perform at your current job and he did. Allegedly we went through the Arkansas week in shirts and shells. Then he was talking to both Tennessee and Florida- and Stricklin asked for permission to speak to Dan and Cohen told Scott not until after the Egg Bowl- but there is evidence that Stricklin indeed talked to Florida before the Egg Bowl.
3. Yes. He completely lost me after he screwed up Dak's senior day. That said, he did technically leave with a winning record against Ole Miss- so it's more accurate to say losing to Ole Miss two of his last three years. I'll get to the other big games in just a minute.
4. No. I didn't care about that.
5. As far as the big games what frustrated me was the fact that he showed me multiple times that he could not manage a close game in a high profile situation. But I felt like there were things that he did that severely hindered us and to be quite frank we are not a program that can go out there with one hand tied behind our back and reach our full potential as a team. This includes- not playing the best players enough or using them in ways that didn't fit their skill set like Kivon Coman and Brandon Holloway among others. Not recruiting well and not appearing to want to do much to improve that. Obviously not recruiting well limits what we can put out on the field. Not holding his friends on the offensive side of the ball accountable whether it be for poor coaching performance, poor recruiting or both. Meanwhile the defensive staff was constantly blamed for the team's shortcomings creating a revolving door of DC's. He also paid very little attention to special teams or did weird things with special teams which I feel like is another area where we can not afford to be poor in.

So, as I said I was completely done with him after 2015 and wanted him gone at that point. I felt like he had his head up his ass, wouldn't improve, and on top of it all it was clear to me that he didn't want to be here. Even worse we made it relatively hard for anyone to take him because we overpaid him. What is even more frustrating is he showed us what he could do if he is focused at times even after 2015.

I'll say this - if Dan is still around I would expect us to 9-3 or 8-4 at best. Now I am expecting 10-2.