Here's a sobering stat I missed

[Bulldog1]

As opposed to Jackie? First of all we always play UK no matter what. This wasn't a scheduling tactic by Mullen. Also, Jackie lost to UK in the 98 SECW Champ season.

Next here is a list of all non conference opponents from 1992-2000

1992
Texas
Memphis
Ark St

1993
Tulane
Ark St
Mem

1994
Mem
Ark St.
Tulane

1995
Baylor
NE Louisiana
Memphis

1996
La Tech
Memphis
NE Lousiana

1997
Memphis
NE Louisiana
UCF

1998
Memphis
E Tenn St.
Ok St

1999
Ok St
MTSU
Memphis

2000
BYU
Memphis
MTSU

So in his first nine years Jackie played a total 3 power 5 teams:

1992 Texas 6-5
1995 Baylor 7-4
1998 Ok St. 5-6 (Beat State SECW Champs)
1999 Ok St. 5-6

I wish you’d point to anywhere in my posts and show me where I blamed Mullen for playing UK. You won’t find anything. You said JWS wouldn’t win more than 6 games now, and I said JWS would win 7 games at least once. That?s all.

[Coach34]

During sherrill tenure, sec West won 1 natty (1992 bama). During Mullen tenure, sec West won 6 natties, 2 other west teams played in championship game, and bama lost in playoff game.

That really doesnt matter- State wasnt beating LSU or Bama no matter who coached us

Bama won the title in 1992, finished 13th in 93, 4th in 94, 21st in 95, 11th in 96, and 8th in 99
Auburn was undefeated in 1993, 9th in 94, 21st in 1995, 24th in 1996, 11th in 97, and 15th in 2000
Florida played for the title in 1995
Florida won it in 1996
Tenn won it in 1997

Stop acting like the SEC was any different then. Only difference now is Bama

[msstate7]

That really doesnt matter- State wasnt beating LSU or Bama no matter who coached us

Bama won the title in 1992, finished 13th in 93, 4th in 94, 21st in 95, 11th in 96, and 8th in 99
Auburn was undefeated in 1993, 9th in 94, 21st in 1995, 24th in 1996, 11th in 97, and 15th in 2000
Florida played for the title in 1995
Florida won it in 1996
Tenn won it in 1997

Stop acting like the SEC was any different then. Only difference now is Bama

You really think the sec west was as good when sherrill was here as Mullen? Lol... during Mullen tenure, what sec west school made the sec championship as a less than 10 win team?

[Coach34]

You really think the sec west was as good when sherrill was here as Mullen? Lol... during Mullen tenure, what sec west school made the sec championship as a less than 10 win team?

teams played 1 less game then and also there were ties.

The question is not who wins the league- its the strength of the league top to bottom. As I said- We rarely beat Bama or LSU under Jackie- and we rarely beat them now. So nothing has changed for us on that front. The SEC is no different to us in that aspect

[Coach34]

SEC West Champ-

1992- Bama- national champion
1993- Bama- 8-2-1 (less one win because of scheduling plus a tie)
1994- Bama 11-0
1995- UPig- 8-3 would have been 9-3 overall today...6-2 in the West
1996- Bama and LSU were 9-2...Bama went...would be 10-2 today
1997- Auburn was 9-2...would have been 10-2 today
1998- State- 8-3 would have been 9-3 today....6-2 in the West
1999- Bama 9-2- would have been 10-2 today

But again- the strength of the SEC is top to bottom. Not what the top team is. Hell, you got people around the country today calling the SEC weak except for Bama until Georgia won this year

[msstate7]

SEC West Champ-

1992- Bama- national champion
1993- Bama- 8-2-1 (less one win because of scheduling plus a tie)
1994- Bama 11-0
1995- UPig- 8-3 would have been 9-3 overall today...6-2 in the West
1996- Bama and LSU were 9-2...Bama went...would be 10-2 today
1997- Auburn was 9-2...would have been 10-2 today
1998- State- 8-3 would have been 9-3 today....6-2 in the West
1999- Bama 9-2- would have been 10-2 today

But again- the strength of the SEC is top to bottom. Not what the top team is. Hell, you got people around the country today calling the SEC weak except for Bama until Georgia won this year

Maybe now they call it weak, but up until a year of 2 ago, the west was very strong top to bottom

[Coach34]

Maybe now they call it weak, but up until a year of 2 ago, the west was very strong top to bottom

2009- UPig, Auburn, and State 3-5 in the SEC
2010- OM was 1-7
2011- OM was 0-8 and State 2-6
2012- OM 3-5, Upig 2-6, and Auburn 0-8
2013- OM and State 3-5, Upig 0-8
2014- A&M 3-5 and UPig 2-6
2015- Auburn 2-6...strong year
2016- UPig and State 3-5, OM 2-6
2017- OM 3-5 and UPig 1-7

Why is this better than the 1990's?

[QuadrupleOption]

That's the point, they performed similarly with the Kang having higher highs and lower lows. Muffins had a tougher SEC but Kang played tougher OOC schedules.


Nobody isn't giving him his due, what are you talking about

I give credit to Merlot for leaving when he did, instead of getting a bad attitude and giving up at the end like Kang. And it was headed that direction, see the emphasis on JUCOs

Uh what? This thread is full of folks trying every way they can to NOT give Mullen credit for raising our program another level. I thought his taking the job at Florida was dumb as Hell but I recognize that he did a lot of great things for us, and I think that many of the posters in this thread are romanticizing Sherrill's run here and forgetting about some of the atrocious freaking seasons we had to put up with while he was our coach - '93, '95, '01, '02, and '03.

He was a good coach, and he was responsible for a lot of memorable wins, but Mullen ran a better program in a tougher era. The numbers don't lie.

[Coach34]

He was a good coach, and he was responsible for a lot of memorable wins, but Mullen ran a better program in a tougher era. The numbers don't lie.

How is this era tougher? Thats what I'm arguing. Bama is still winning the West now like it did in the 1990's- so why is it tougher in the SEC now? Hell, now with all the money we have a top half budget 1/3 budget in college football. in the 1990's? We werent top half.

1992- Bama won the NC
1993- Auburn was unbeaten
1994- Bama won the West at 11-0
1995- Florida lost in the NC game
1996- Florida won the NC
1997- Tenn won the NC

How is now any tougher than then?

[QuadrupleOption]

How is this era tougher? Thats what I'm arguing. Bama is still winning the West now like it did in the 1990's- so why is it tougher in the SEC now? Hell, now with all the money we have a top half budget 1/3 budget in college football. in the 1990's? We werent top half.

1992- Bama won the NC
1993- Auburn was unbeaten
1994- Bama won the West at 11-0
1995- Florida lost in the NC game
1996- Florida won the NC
1997- Tenn won the NC

How is now any tougher than then?

Are you honestly trying to say that a division that has produced 6 national championships in 9 years as well as two runner-ups is equivalent to a division that produced 1 national champion (okay Auburn had two undefeated seasons as well) in Sherrill's 13 seasons?

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

Yeah you're right but it seems like we do. Us and Ole Miss have the easiest East permanents.

I imagine the SEC East teams say the same thing about UK and Vandy.

[bulldawg28]

I love Jackie. I played under him but Dan was/is better. Jackie always had good defenses and terrible to below average offenses. He had better FG kickers and good punters. Dan had more balanced teams with good offensive and defensive teams. FG teams never were reliable but it's not even close. Mullen had actual teams. Jackie had defenses. They crazy thing is Jackie had overall better talent than Mullen and didn't use it properly.

[Coach34]

Are you honestly trying to say that a division that has produced 6 national championships in 9 years as well as two runner-ups is equivalent to a division that produced 1 national champion (okay Auburn had two undefeated seasons as well) in Sherrill's 13 seasons?

I'm saying the division is more than 1 team. Because Gonzaga wins their division every year and is nationally ranked in basketball- does that make their division tougher than the SEC? You are equating one dominant team in a division as making the overall division tougher for some reason. I'm saying nothing has changed for us- we rarely beat Bama or LSU under Sherrill and nothing changed under Mullen. Still just as tough for us.

[Goldendawg]

Both Jackie and Dan's teams played the teams that they were scheduled to play. I appreciate most of what each of them did for State, but I sat in Atlanta ahead for the SEC Championship with about a quarter to go with a Jackie coached team. Never happened with Dan, even when we were #1 for about 5 weeks. Just sayin.

[maroonmania]

The TD was very close and could have been overturned but I have seen worse not overturned. I will say without a shadow of doubt that LSU the next year was given a TD by the refs. LSU scored a TD with Eugene Clinton the only one in the endzone with the ball. The LSU player somehow scored a TD from around the 4 yard line while the ball crossed the goal line. I would think that more than made up for it since that game doesn't go into overtime without that TD.

No way the '99 TD would have been overturned against LSU. The runner was in a mass of humanity at the goal line. I've watched that replay 10 times and still can't tell for sure where the ball was when Gibson's knee touched because of the crowd and because he was on top of players. Now one of the TDs LSU scored against us in Baton Rouge in 2000 ABSOLUTELY would have been overturned with replay today where we batted the ball out of the RB's hand at the 1 yard line and it went flying through the back of the end zone. That play was out in the wide open and should have been called correct live if it weren't for biased SEC officiating. Given that game went to OT and we lost I'm going to say that was one LSU victory that was stolen from Sherrill.