Here's a sobering stat I missed

[Todd4State]

In the past 15 years we have had one winning season in SEC play in football. That's half on Croom. But I think it shows how much Dan's record was inflated beating Louisiana Tech 3-4 times every year.

[msstate7]

Actually 1 in last 18, which includes 4 years of Sherrill.

[5049]

If you go back to the beginning of the modern era, which is universally considered to be sometime in the 90s, we only add about 3 more (1994, 1998, 1999 maybe?)

Seems to me Jackie is still the KANG

Kang also played 11 game schedules with no FCS opponent, often with another Power 5 team

Yep, still the man

[msstate7]

If you go back to the beginning of the modern era, which is universally considered to be sometime in the 90s, we only add about 3 more (1994, 1998, 1999 maybe?)

Seems to me Jackie is still the KANG

Kang also played 11 game schedules with no FCS opponent, often with another Power 5 team

Yep, still the man

1991 also. 1999 is the last year before saban came into the sec coincidentally

[Bully13]

Would like to see similar stats on the other SEC West teams outside of bamer.

[Todd4State]

Above .500 seasons in SEC football play Starting in 1992 when the SEC expanded:

MSU- 4
Ole Miss- 5
Alabama- 18
Auburn- 16
LSU- 19
Arkansas- 8
Texas A&M- 1 (Came into league in 2012 I believe)



SEC East for reference if anyone is curious:

Tennessee- 16
Vanderbilt- 1
Florida- 20
Georgia- 18
Kentucky- 0
South Carolina- 8
Missouri- 2

[Goldendawg]

Jackie is still the Kang in many ways: A. SEC West title - only SEC Title game I've attended B. More total wins C. Probably more quality wins (Usually more cupcakes scheduled in the 12 game seasons in recent years) C. Taught us we could win ( I know the last years were bad - thanks UNM & NCAA clouds over program) D. All Dawg - True Maroon. I would still make a donation for statue of him outside the stadium. JMO. I do think Jo will do a great job in all these areas. Hail State!

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Jackie is still the Kang in many ways: A. SEC West title - only SEC Title game I've attended B. More total wins C. Probably more quality wins (Usually more cupcakes scheduled in the 12 game seasons in recent years) C. Taught us we could win ( I know the last years were bad - thanks UNM & NCAA clouds over program) D. All Dawg - True Maroon. I would still make a donation for statue of him outside the stadium. JMO. I do think Jo will do a great job in all these areas. Hail State!

Dan was better.

I love Jackie and what he did here but Dan played in a MUCH better SEC West than Jackie. Bama and Auburn were both mediocre. Also, LSU wasn't good either but Jackie still could never beat them. We won the west in 90' by going 5-3 in the SEC with a road loss to Kentucky. Jackie's run in the 90's would have been equivalent to Mullen being in the East while at State. We would have won the east probably 3 times under Dan.

[Bulldog1]

Dan was better.

I love Jackie and what he did here but Dan played in a MUCH better SEC West than Jackie. Bama and Auburn were both mediocre. Also, LSU wasn't good either but Jackie still could never beat them. We won the west in 90' by going 5-3 in the SEC with a road loss to Kentucky. Jackie's run in the 90's would have been equivalent to Mullen being in the East while at State. We would have won the east probably 3 times under Dan.

Dan would’ve still been conservative in big games and choke them away.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Dan would’ve still been conservative in big games and choke them away.

The 98',99', and 2000 teams would have won 6 games max in the SEC west Dan's teams competed in.

[Bulldog1]

The 98',99', and 2000 teams would have won 6 games max in the SEC west Dan's teams competed in.

I think Jackie could?ve managed at least 3 SEC wins a year, plus the 4 cupcakes Mullins played. That?s at leaat 7 wins right there.

[sonofozarka]

The 98',99', and 2000 teams would have won 6 games max in the SEC west Dan's teams competed in.

This.

Dan's SEC and especially SEC West were as strong as any division has been... ever.

Jackie won while LSU & Bama were WAY down from what they've been the last 10 years, and while Auburn had some dips.

The East was the bear back then and Jackie avoided playing even 1 of UF, UGA, and UT in many years.

[Coach34]

Dan was better.

I love Jackie and what he did here but Dan played in a MUCH better SEC West than Jackie. Bama and Auburn were both mediocre. Also, LSU wasn't good either but Jackie still could never beat them. We won the west in 90' by going 5-3 in the SEC with a road loss to Kentucky. Jackie's run in the 90's would have been equivalent to Mullen being in the East while at State. We would have won the east probably 3 times under Dan.

Let's back that up and look at where we were when Jackie took over vs when Mullen did. In 1992- we were basically looked at by recruits as being the same as La Tech, Memphis, etc. Our facilities were awful. Our stadium seated 35K.

Mullen took over in a time of an elevated SEC that was getting its own network. Bigger stadium, mo momey, mo money, mo money...State was no longer looked at as being comparable to Memphis or La Tech anymore

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Let's back that up and look at where we were when Jackie took over vs when Mullen did. In 1992- we were basically looked at by recruits as being the same as La Tech, Memphis, etc. Our facilities were awful. Our stadium seated 35K.

Mullen took over in a time of an elevated SEC that was getting its own network. Bigger stadium, mo momey, mo money, mo money...State was no longer looked at as being comparable to Memphis or La Tech anymore

I don't disagree, and like I said earlier I like Jackie and am very appreciative of what he did for MSU.

The SEC network started in 2014. Mullen took over in 09.

Lastly, Pre Saban LSU from 1992-1999 while Jackie was at State had an overall record of 44-46. We were 1-7 in those 8 meetings (and we only got the 1 due to there being no instant replay) including a 41-6 beat down to a 4-7 LSU team in the 98' SECW championship season.

[Coach34]

The SEC network started in 2014. Mullen took over in 09.

Lastly, Pre Saban LSU from 1992-1999 while Jackie was at State had an overall record of 44-46. We were 1-7 in those 8 meetings (and we only got the 1 due to there being no instant replay) including a 41-6 beat down to a 4-7 LSU team in the 98' SECW championship season.

While the network didnt launch until 2014- there was a good 2 years before it launched of SEC coaches selling it to recruits.

The SEC was still the SEC in the 90's. Auburn went undefeated once and was solid. Bama won the NC in 1992. OM was consistent with Tubbs and Cutcliffe. It just didnt have the 1 dominant team as it does now. Auburn has had losing seasons as has OM during Mullen's tenure. UPig has had losing seasons during Mullen's tenure just as they did in the 90's.

[Tbonewannabe]

I don't disagree, and like I said earlier I like Jackie and am very appreciative of what he did for MSU.

The SEC network started in 2014. Mullen took over in 09.

Lastly, Pre Saban LSU from 1992-1999 while Jackie was at State had an overall record of 44-46. We were 1-7 in those 8 meetings (and we only got the 1 due to there being no instant replay) including a 41-6 beat down to a 4-7 LSU team in the 98' SECW championship season.

The TD was very close and could have been overturned but I have seen worse not overturned. I will say without a shadow of doubt that LSU the next year was given a TD by the refs. LSU scored a TD with Eugene Clinton the only one in the endzone with the ball. The LSU player somehow scored a TD from around the 4 yard line while the ball crossed the goal line. I would think that more than made up for it since that game doesn't go into overtime without that TD.

[BuckyIsAB****]

We must have went 4-4 3-5 a LOT

[RocketDawg]

We must have went 4-4 3-5 a LOT

Geez ....

[3rdGen]

Geez ....

Man speaks the truth and he gets criticism.
Just stating man. Just stating. I know we will come out of this. Just a matter of time and timing.

[Todd4State]

We must have went 4-4 3-5 a LOT

4-4 happened 8 times since 1992- Four times under Dan, three under Jackie, and once under Croom.

3-5 happened four times since 1992- Three times under Dan and once under Jackie. Jackie did have a 2-5-1 season in 1993 though just in the sake of curiosity.


So, seven of Dan's nine seasons we were 3-5 or 4-4 in the SEC. So, you're right. The other two seasons we went 6-2 in 2014 and then 2-6 in 2011.