RIP Dr. Stephen Hawking

[Bully13]

I have no question the dude had a brilliant mind and contributed mightily to the world of science but I've got huge differences with those who think they know it all when in reality, in the whole scheme of things, know very little. They think the human mind can solve all of the world's questions about how the universe was created but if you really think about it, the human mind does not even have the capacity to do so no matter the IQ.

So before the universe was created, was there no such thing as time? what was going back then? and before that? and before that? nothing? is dead air / empty space nothing? would a clock not work back then? how far can a rocket ship go travelling 10X the speed of light? what happens after 10,000 years traveling at that speed? hit a brick wall? what would be beyond the brick wall?

We live in an infinite universe with infinite time and infinite distance that the human brain will never be able to come remotely close to understanding because we have finite minds. Which totally means there is something out there that is so out of this world remarkable the human mind can not even come close to comprehending it. It's called creative design and I'm not saying everybody should bow down and pray and go to Sunday School every week. It's just cold hard scientific fact. I'm not throwing a religious spill on this. Folks like Hawking and the majority of other scientist are indeed atheists and that's their business. But I believe it's because they are so enamored with all the glory we bestow upon them that they feel this sense of entitlement that allows them to kinda "play God" because they are so smart and therefore MUST have all the answers. I'm just saying they don't.

That's why I have so much more respect for someone like Einstein (who was a non practicing Jew) over Hawking because Einstein said things like this all the time: “Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”

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I have no question the dude had a brilliant mind and contributed mightily to the world of science but I've got huge differences with those who think they know it all when in reality, in the whole scheme of things, know very little. They think the human mind can solve all of the world's questions about how the universe was created but if you really think about it, the human mind does not even have the capacity to do so no matter the IQ.

So before the universe was created, was there no such thing as time? what was going back then? and before that? and before that? nothing? is dead air / empty space nothing? would a clock not work back then? how far can a rocket ship go travelling 10X the speed of light? what happens after 10,000 years traveling at that speed? hit a brick wall? what would be beyond the brick wall?

We live in an infinite universe with infinite time and infinite distance that the human brain will never be able to come remotely close to understanding because we have finite minds. Which totally means there is something out there that is so out of this world remarkable the human mind can not even come close to comprehending it. It's called creative design and I'm not saying everybody should bow down and pray and go to Sunday School every week. It's just cold hard scientific fact. I'm not throwing a religious spill on this. Folks like Hawking and the majority of other scientist are indeed atheists and that's their business. But I believe it's because they are so enamored with all the glory we bestow upon them that they feel this sense of entitlement that allows them to kinda "play God" because they are so smart and therefore MUST have all the answers. I'm just saying they don't.

That's why I have so much more respect for someone like Einstein (who was a non practicing Jew) over Hawking because Einstein said things like this all the time: ?Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.?

100% accurate, Bully13 I had no clue you were capable of posting such awesomeness! joking (or am I?)

Science itself has Christian roots. Hawking says God never intervenes in this world, I say, he intervenes just enough that we still must make a choice

Hawking made his choice, good luck to him, he'll need it

[bostondawg]

I have no question the dude had a brilliant mind and contributed mightily to the world of science but I've got huge differences with those who think they know it all when in reality, in the whole scheme of things, know very little. They think the human mind can solve all of the world's questions about how the universe was created but if you really think about it, the human mind does not even have the capacity to do so no matter the IQ.

So before the universe was created, was there no such thing as time? what was going back then? and before that? and before that? nothing? is dead air / empty space nothing? would a clock not work back then? how far can a rocket ship go travelling 10X the speed of light? what happens after 10,000 years traveling at that speed? hit a brick wall? what would be beyond the brick wall?

We live in an infinite universe with infinite time and infinite distance that the human brain will never be able to come remotely close to understanding because we have finite minds. Which totally means there is something out there that is so out of this world remarkable the human mind can not even come close to comprehending it. It's called creative design and I'm not saying everybody should bow down and pray and go to Sunday School every week. It's just cold hard scientific fact. I'm not throwing a religious spill on this. Folks like Hawking and the majority of other scientist are indeed atheists and that's their business. But I believe it's because they are so enamored with all the glory we bestow upon them that they feel this sense of entitlement that allows them to kinda "play God" because they are so smart and therefore MUST have all the answers. I'm just saying they don't.

That's why I have so much more respect for someone like Einstein (who was a non practicing Jew) over Hawking because Einstein said things like this all the time: ?Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.?

If it were truly scientists in this society that we bestow glory upon, rather than athletes or models or actors I think we'd be in a much better place.

Also, doing the thing children do when they keep asking "why?" does not disprove scientific theory. In fact, some of the questions you raised in that post have concrete answers, but I suspect you don't care what the answers really are.

Also, I think you have a pretty misunderstood view of Einstein's view of religion and philosophy. This isn't the place to hash that out, but calling him a "non-practicing Jew" is giving him way more credit than he deserves. He, like many scientists before him, held something close to Spinoza's god as a philosophy--and of course Spinoza was literally expelled from the Jewish community for that view. Einstein didn't believe in a personal god who gives a damn about humanity. Calling anyone who believed in some sort of spiritual connection to the universe (which could be manifested as a wonder at the stars or the worship of David Bowie) religious in the sense that Christians use the word is disingenuous at best, and probably underlies a complete misunderstanding of what the schism in the science vs. religion dilemma actually is. Einstein, Sagan, Feynman, and Hawking all stated some sort of spiritual wonder toward the universe. Why do you respect Einstein and not the others?

ETA: In fact, one could cherry pick many quotes from other scientists to make whatever point you're trying to make. For example, Hawking once said, "The laws may have been decreed by God, but God does not intervene to break the laws." That's a pretty similar religious view to the one Einstein held.

[Bully13]

If it were truly scientists in this society that we bestow glory upon, rather than athletes or models or actors I think we'd be in a much better place.

Also, doing the thing children do when they keep asking "why?" does not disprove scientific theory. In fact, some of the questions you raised in that post have concrete answers, but I suspect you don't care what the answers really are.

Also, I think you have a pretty misunderstood view of Einstein's view of religion and philosophy. This isn't the place to hash that out, but calling him a "non-practicing Jew" is giving him way more credit than he deserves. He, like many scientists before him, held something close to Spinoza's god as a philosophy--and of course Spinoza was literally expelled from the Jewish community for that view. Einstein didn't believe in a personal god who gives a damn about humanity. Calling anyone who believed in some sort of spiritual connection to the universe (which could be manifested as a wonder at the stars or the worship of David Bowie) religious in the sense that Christians use the word is disingenuous at best, and probably underlies a complete misunderstanding of what the schism in the science vs. religion dilemma actually is. Einstein, Sagan, Feynman, and Hawking all stated some sort of spiritual wonder toward the universe. Why do you respect Einstein and not the others?

ETA: In fact, one could cherry pick many quotes from other scientists to make whatever point you're trying to make. For example, Hawking once said, "The laws may have been decreed by God, but God does not intervene to break the laws." That's a pretty similar religious view to the one Einstein held.

His actual quotes though don't back up he believed in intelligent design. he said it was just pure luck which is opposite of what Einstein said. And his "God" reference he made was later followed up by him saying you took my "God" reference out of context.

http://time.com/5199149/stephen-hawk...h-god-atheist/

https://owlcation.com/humanities/Ste...-God-Heres-Why

The guy plainly states "There is no God". and that we are all here by an accident. sound like an "Intelligent Design believer to you? do you think there is a difference between "Creative Design' and "Intelligent Design"? How many times does he have to say we are here by accident for someone to come to the conclusion his opinion on our origins are 180 degrees opposite of those held by Einstein?

Oh, and thanks for letting me know all my questions are "childish" and we already have the answers to them. I'd be more than happy to know we've got them all figured out by all you smart scientist types. And you are wrong , I'd love to hear what the answers are to those "childish" questions of mine. I'm sure others on the board would like to hear them too. Some of us, including myself, may have missed the headline / memo.