Cohen

[vv83]

We all praised Cohen for the Cann and JM hire and how nice it was to have an AD that isn't scared, and goes out there and gets young coaches on the rise. Does anyone feel different about it now?
I still feel like Cohen made a great hire in Cann. I mean I guess there's no way for Cohen to have known it would have ended like this so there's no way I could blame him for the hire. I wonder if this make Cohen consider more mature coaches in the future, or if he'll continue to go after the younger rising stars in coaching. I know JM is a little older, but he kind of fits the same mold of hot commodity, rising name in football. I think I like it in basketball and football, but wouldn't mind if we went for top tier in baseball, just because we should have the resources to pull one in that sport.

[shoeless joe]

There's No comparison between jomo and cann as far as experience and SEChead coach preparedness

[msbulldog]

Up until Friday Cann, was the best hire in the world. Cohen was probably on this problem before then, that we will never know. It not for this unexpected issue, the hiring of Andy Cannizaro could possibly have been the greatest hire in MSU athletic history. At this point Vic Shaefer is our greatest hire!

[msstate7]

Up until Friday Cann, was the best hire in the world. Cohen was probably on this problem before then, that we will never know. It not for this unexpected issue, the hiring of Andy Cannizaro could possibly have been the greatest hire in MSU athletic history. At this point Vic Shaefer is our greatest hire!

Ron Polk is up there

[msbulldog]

Ron Polk is up there

Yep 7, you're right about Polk, it would have been an absolute if not for Polk II. Let's blame Larry T for that. Hail State! My brother!

[Coach34]

Ron Polk is up there

No- the Polk hire is the most overrated hire.

We had been the CWS just 5 years before Polk.
We have 17 SEC titles in baseball- Polk won 4 of them.
Polk also benefited by the expansion of the NCAA baseball tourney during the 70's
Once the SEC put money into baseball- Polk became middle of the pack.

The best thing Polk ever did was showing the way for college coaches to build their baseball programs and facilities to keep them from just bleeding money. That is what he will always be remembered for

[BiscuitEater]

No- the Polk hire is the most overrated hire.

We had been the CWS just 5 years before Polk.
We have 17 SEC titles in baseball- Polk won 4 of them.
Polk also benefited by the expansion of the NCAA baseball tourney during the 70's
Once the SEC put money into baseball- Polk became middle of the pack.

The best thing Polk ever did was showing the way for college coaches to build their baseball programs and facilities to keep them from just bleeding money. That is what he will always be remembered for

Got the memo .. you DESPISE Polk AND Stans!

Polk hire is NOT overrated. You can't have it both ways .. we won most of those 17 SEC baseball titles when NO ONE other than MSU cared about baseball.

[Coach34]

Polk hire is NOT overrated. You can't have it both ways .. we won most of those 17 SEC baseball titles when NO ONE other than MSU cared about baseball.

Who is trying to have it both ways? We were a baseball school before Polk and continue to be one after him. He had 3 CWS appearances his last 19 seasons here- most people at State would call that underachieving

[msbulldog]

No- the Polk hire is the most overrated hire.

We had been the CWS just 5 years before Polk.
We have 17 SEC titles in baseball- Polk won 4 of them.
Polk also benefited by the expansion of the NCAA baseball tourney during the 70's
Once the SEC put money into baseball- Polk became middle of the pack.

The best thing Polk ever did was showing the way for college coaches to build their baseball programs and facilities to keep them from just bleeding money. That is what he will always be remembered for

BAHHHH HUMBUGGGG!!!!

[Turfdawg67]

If we’d had more time, AC, more than likely, wouldn’t have been the head coach. After last year, Cohen looked like a genius. I don’t blame Cohen at all, he couldn’t hold Cann’s pecker... well, he could but that’d be weird.

[HereComesTheSpiral]

You hire the best person for the job, if they screw it up, that is on them.

[bulldogcountry1]

Yeah, I don't see how Cohen can take any responsibility for this. It's obvious that he did a lot of research. If there had been even a hint of a problem, he would have passed.

That said, I bet Cohen takes a deeper look into the personal life of the next candidates.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Thanks for bringing up the subject vv83. I’ve been pondering this myself since Hack broke the story.

The narrative on this board is that Cohen is always prepared and thorough in his business. Regardless of the time he had to make the hire (which is easily debunked by the fact that Henderson was on staff and had experience) and the fact that he couldn’t predict Cann’s sleezy ways - he still was the one that made the hire.

Stricklin gets roasted for the Ray hire, yet is Cohen getting a pass on Cann? Ray didn’t win many games (like Croom), but he at least cleaned up the program. It sounds like Cann was slowly destroying the program, regardless of last year and his recruiting ability.

Does Cohen get a pass because he’s still the AD? He has controlled the narrative very well and I respect his decision to cut bait, but that doesn’t absolve him from his responsibility of tarnishing the program’s image.

[Todd4State]

Thanks for bringing up the subject vv83. I’ve been pondering this myself since Hack broke the story.

The narrative on this board is that Cohen is always prepared and thorough in his business. Regardless of the time he had to make the hire (which is easily debunked by the fact that Henderson was on staff and had experience) and the fact that he couldn’t predict Cann’s sleezy ways - he still was the one that made the hire.

Stricklin gets roasted for the Ray hire, yet is Cohen getting a pass on Cann? Ray didn’t win many games (like Croom), but he at least cleaned up the program. It sounds like Cann was slowly destroying the program, regardless of last year and his recruiting ability.

Does Cohen get a pass because he’s still the AD? He has controlled the narrative very well and I respect his decision to cut bait, but that doesn’t absolve him from his responsibility of tarnishing the program’s image.

It's apples and oranges. Cann was everything Cohen thought he was until his head got too big- which is essentially what happened. It wasn't just the affair in and of itself and that's important to remember. What Cann did with our team last year was almost miraculous. You don't do that as a coach unless you are high caliber. Ray never did anything close to that.

Cohen ended this swiftly- and because of that we have a chance to turn the season around and the very least he minimized the long term damage to the program.

Ray was a terrible hire.

[msbulldog]

Thanks for bringing up the subject vv83. I’ve been pondering this myself since Hack broke the story.

The narrative on this board is that Cohen is always prepared and thorough in his business. Regardless of the time he had to make the hire (which is easily debunked by the fact that Henderson was on staff and had experience) and the fact that he couldn’t predict Cann’s sleezy ways - he still was the one that made the hire.

Stricklin gets roasted for the Ray hire, yet is Cohen getting a pass on Cann? Ray didn’t win many games (like Croom), but he at least cleaned up the program. It sounds like Cann was slowly destroying the program, regardless of last year and his recruiting ability.

Does Cohen get a pass because he’s still the AD? He has controlled the narrative very well and I respect his decision to cut bait, but that doesn’t absolve him from his responsibility of tarnishing the program’s image.

You know a fella named Ron White said "you can't fix stupid"!

[vv83]

Thanks for bringing up the subject vv83. I’ve been pondering this myself since Hack broke the story.

The narrative on this board is that Cohen is always prepared and thorough in his business. Regardless of the time he had to make the hire (which is easily debunked by the fact that Henderson was on staff and had experience) and the fact that he couldn’t predict Cann’s sleezy ways - he still was the one that made the hire.

Stricklin gets roasted for the Ray hire, yet is Cohen getting a pass on Cann? Ray didn’t win many games (like Croom), but he at least cleaned up the program. It sounds like Cann was slowly destroying the program, regardless of last year and his recruiting ability.

Does Cohen get a pass because he’s still the AD? He has controlled the narrative very well and I respect his decision to cut bait, but that doesn’t absolve him from his responsibility of tarnishing the program’s image.

I was also thinking about how Stricklin got roasted for RR but Cohen gets a pass for Cann. I think it's fair to assume Cann would have been more successful than RR was if he could have kept his head on straight. Also, ever since Monday night I've been hearing all these rumors about how Cann was losing the team, and player's didn't like him, etc. I take it with a grain of salt because I never once heard that until he was fired, but do you think that factored into Cohen firing him and cutting his loss? Like, if the players adored him and the locker room was great, but he still made this same mistake I wonder if this would have gone away somehow

[Todd4State]

I was also thinking about how Stricklin got roasted for RR but Cohen gets a pass for Cann. I think it's fair to assume Cann would have been more successful than RR was if he could have kept his head on straight. Also, ever since Monday night I've been hearing all these rumors about how Cann was losing the team, and player's didn't like him, etc. I take it with a grain of salt because I never once heard that until he was fired, but do you think that factored into Cohen firing him and cutting his loss? Like, if the players adored him and the locker room was great, but he still made this same mistake I wonder if this would have gone away somehow

That's because for once in our MSU lifetimes we took care of things before they got way too far out of hand.

And I'm not sure how much of a difference it would have made, but Cann allegedly lied about the affairs when Cohen asked him about it. If Cann had told Cohen the truth? I don't know what happens.

But yes, the players absolutely factored in. Some of them were interviewed about it and some had expressed their concerns to Cohen about Cann.

I think if he had simply kept coaching hard like he did last year and told the truth he would still be around. And maybe not? We'll never know.

[BiscuitEater]

Stricklin gets roasted for the Ray hire, yet is Cohen getting a pass on Cann?

Ahh .. Ray couldn't recruit OR coach. It took Howland 2 1/2 years to turn the BB program around. Cann could recruit AND coach. HUGE difference. This is on Cann NOT Cohen,

[Bdawg]

Ahh .. Ray couldn't recruit OR coach. It took Howland 2 1/2 years to turn the BB program around. Cann could recruit AND coach. HUGE difference. This is on Cann NOT Cohen,

My thought exactly

[Coach34]

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Stricklin gets roasted for the Ray hire, yet is Cohen getting a pass on Cann? .

Cann made the Sweet 16 last year. Ray never won 16 did he?