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Originally Posted by
Coach34
If Bama loses at Auburn tomorrow and Florida loses at Tennessee- which they should- there will be an incredible tie in the middle of the SEC with 3 games left.
All of these teams will be 8-7 in the SEC with 3 games left:
State
Bama
Florida
Kentucky
UPig
Mizzou
2 of those teams are racing to finish in the top 4 of the SEC. We go 3-0? 1 of the top 4 is us. Top 4 in the SEC means we are NCAA-bound
And we have the best remaining schedule of these teams.. outside chance at 3rd and still a ****ing shot at 2nd .. that’s ****ing crazy
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In case anyone is wondering the SECT seeding tiebreaker when a bunch of teams are tied like this is record vs all tied teams so in this scenario we are 3-4 vs those 5 teams. So we don't want to be tied it won't help us.
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
In case anyone is wondering the SECT seeding tiebreaker when a bunch of teams are tied like this is record vs all tied teams so in this scenario we are 3-4 vs those 5 teams. So we don't want to be tied it won't help us.
All these teams play a couple of teams in this bunch .We won’t be tied with anyone if we win out if my math is correct.
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Originally Posted by
Pipedream
I fully understand the logic, but it's not going to be taken into consideration. They evaluate off of those resume sheets and conference record, standing, nor last 10 games is criteria they use. Palm isn't just making this up. The NCAA released this info to him. I still think we have a really good chance of making it, but some of the things y'all are citing won't be a factor.
If you concede conference record will be considered, it stands to reason that finish is considered. For example, if the NCAA is considering aTm (7-11) vs state (11-7)... any idiot can see that we finished much higher in sec standing than aTm whether they look at the standings or not. Now state vs western Kentucky, the finish in sec is probably not considered
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
If you concede conference record will be considered, it stands to reason that finish is considered. For example, if the NCAA is considering aTm (7-11) vs state (11-7)... any idiot can see that we finished much higher in sec standing than aTm whether they look at the standings or not. Now state vs western Kentucky, the finish in sec is probably not considered
I do not concede that. It's not considered. Check the link.
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Originally Posted by
Pipedream
I do not concede that. It's not considered. Check the link.
The committee is just covering their asses. There will be major issues if for example they take a 6-12 Texas A&M team over an 11-7 MSU team that beat them on the road and finished much higher in the SEC standings. Just won't happen. You can point to one link all you like but the committee has common sense and they would know that would be a disaster for them.
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
The committee is just covering their asses. There will be major issues if for example they take a 6-12 Texas A&M team over an 11-7 MSU team that beat them on the road and finished much higher in the SEC standings. Just won't happen. You can point to one link all you like but the committee has common sense and they would know that would be a disaster for them.
If that happened, we’d all be on the phone with the committee lol
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Originally Posted by
Quaoarsking
In 2011 they left out 12-4 Alabama but took 10-6 Kentucky, 9-7 Vanderbilt, 9-7 Georgia, and 8-8 Tennessee.
Just saying it can happen.
In 2011, there were divisions. I will bet that the west side was garbage in 2011
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
In 2011, there were divisions. I will bet that the west side was garbage in 2011
No doubt. But the key takeaway is that the Committee skipped a team in favor of 4 teams with a worse conference record due to SOS issues this decade in the 68 team era. We shouldn't pretend like it's impossible that it could happen again.
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I’ve seen on other boards people saying Howland has pull with the committee. Is that a factor?
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Originally Posted by
Bulldog1
I’ve seen on other boards people saying Howland has pull with the committee. Is that a factor?
You bet it does. They will pump the Howland story pretty good. I've got to imagine if we finish 3-0 and get the double bye they can't possibly leave us out. And I think Howland being our coach is going to help that. In the minds of that committee, you have to think the name Ben Howland is going to cross their mind at some point.
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One fun fact is that in our Final Four year (1996), we lost to a weak Ole Miss team late in the season and put into question whether we'd make the tourney. Of course, beating KY in the SECT put that question to rest. (It was already at rest as we were already a lock by that time)/
This team is pretty good. I like our chances against anybody.
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Win next 3 and 1 in SECT and we are in.... PERIOD.... Winning will take care of everything..
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Originally Posted by
fishwater99
Win next 3 and 1 in SECT and we are in.... PERIOD.... Winning will take care of everything..
2-1 and maybe 1 in tourney to seal the deal. This team looks like a top 40 team. No way we are left out with a 10-8 record and nice showing in SEC Tourney.
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Originally Posted by
Pipedream
I do not concede that. It's not considered. Check the link.
Conference record means nothing? I think that link is garbage then personally. Lunardi said last night only once in modern era has a team under 4 games in conference made the tourney. aTm could very well end up 7-11 with a good rpi... good thing the committee does not even look at conference record
Last edited by msstate7; 02-21-2018 at 10:16 AM.
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
Conference record means nothing? I think that link is garbage then personally. Lunardi said last night only once in modern era has a team under 4 games in conference made the tourney. aTm could very well end up 7-11 with a good rpi... good thing the committee does not even look at conference record
No. It means absolutely nothing to the committee. They care about conference SOS, but not record. Doesn't really matter what you nor anyone else thinks about the info, but it's factual. A&M is safely in right now due to their metrics. It's a numbers game. RPI, KPI, SOR, BPI, KenPom, Sagarin are the important ones then they go from there with SOS, noncon SOS, quadrant wins. It's a whole new set up this year.
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winning cures all. Handle our bidness and enjoy being home for a week
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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Most certain way to make the tournament is to keep winning. To lose casts doubts and we don't need to be trying to work up scenarios where we lose and still make it. The best pathway to the NCAA tournament is the one where we win out.
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Whatever happens happens, I just know we have a coach that will get us to that level if not this year, next year. When he realized we had a problem on offense , he amended the way he has coached thru the years as a highly successful coach, he changed his routine, and its obvious the results of that change.
I watched the ole miss Mizzou game last night, the sharks played better, but the difference was a very reliable mizzou free throwing team couldn't hit the side of a barn in the latter stages hence the 2 point loss.
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If the formula was exact everyone would have almost identical brackets. Last four in , first 4 out , next four out. Ect
Example is USA today bracket guru
He has ****ing LSU in the first four out, with Msu next four out.
Palm I don’t think even has us in next four out and has LSU no where
Joey Brackets has us next 4 out and LSU no where.
Bottom is like Coach34 and I and few others have said handle ur business, win the next 3 and we will play our way in.
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