What an SEC mess heading into tomorrow and Saturday

[Coach34]

If Bama loses at Auburn tomorrow and Florida loses at Tennessee- which they should- there will be an incredible tie in the middle of the SEC with 3 games left.

All of these teams will be 8-7 in the SEC with 3 games left:

State
Bama
Florida
Kentucky
UPig
Mizzou

2 of those teams are racing to finish in the top 4 of the SEC. We go 3-0? 1 of the top 4 is us. Top 4 in the SEC means we are NCAA-bound

[Pipedream]

Look I wanna make the tournament too but what place we finish in the league will have absolutely zero bearing on whether we make it or not. Educate yourself https://t.co/x4VZjsy6yv

[Ari Gold]

Look I wanna make the tournament too but what place we finish in the league will have absolutely zero bearing on whether we make it or not. Educate yourself https://t.co/x4VZjsy6yv

What a few here are saying is that if the SEC gets in 8 even 7 teams like EVERYONE has said we are for over a month now , and we finish top 4 it’s going to be almost impossible to take 4 or 5 teams in over us . If the committee only takes 5 or 6 teams then yeah we are probably left out, unless we win a game maybe 2 in the tourney .
We keep wining other sec teams will be losing , we keep playing ourselves in other teams keep playing their way out.

Basically we are using common sense. Palm can say last 10- 15 games don’t matter whatever. Joey Brackets just referenced AM and Oklahoma playing their way out of the tourney because how they have played last couple of weeks. So common sense tells you that their last 10 games or so means a lot.

[Pipedream]

What a few here are saying is that if the SEC gets in 8 even 7 teams like EVERYONE has said we are for over a month now , and we finish top 4 it?s going to be almost impossible to take 4 or 5 teams in over us . If the committee only takes 5 or 6 teams then yeah we are probably left out, unless we win a game maybe 2 in the tourney .
We keep wining other sec teams will be losing , we keep playing ourselves in other teams keep playing their way out.

Basically we are using common sense. Palm can say last 10- 15 games don?t matter whatever. Joey Brackets just referenced AM and Oklahoma playing their way out of the tourney because how they have played last couple of weeks. So common sense tells you that their last 10 games or so means a lot.

I fully understand the logic, but it's not going to be taken into consideration. They evaluate off of those resume sheets and conference record, standing, nor last 10 games is criteria they use. Palm isn't just making this up. The NCAA released this info to him. I still think we have a really good chance of making it, but some of the things y'all are citing won't be a factor.

[Coach34]

Look I wanna make the tournament too but what place we finish in the league will have absolutely zero bearing on whether we make it or not. Educate yourself https://t.co/x4VZjsy6yv

I'm educated enough. If we finish top 4 in the SEC- we are in. The committee will not take 3-4 SEC teams over the team that finished 4th- I promise you.

Top 4 in a top RPI conference
Great record the last 12 games
No bad losses

We will be in

[TXDawg]

I'm educated enough. If we finish top 4 in the SEC- we are in. The committee will not take 3-4 SEC teams over the team that finished 4th- I promise you.

Top 4 in a top RPI conference
Great record the last 12 games
No bad losses

We will be in

Is Vandy not considered a bad loss? I know it was on the road, but in my mind it was a REALLY bad loss.

[TALL DAWG]

I'm educated enough. If we finish top 4 in the SEC- we are in. The committee will not take 3-4 SEC teams over the team that finished 4th- I promise you.

Top 4 in a top RPI conference
Great record the last 12 games
No bad losses

We will be in

Agree with everything here except the Vandy defeat (although we did lose in their funky a$$ gym) was a bad loss when we played them. Now, they beat UF since they beat us and if they win 1 or 2 more that loss will not be as bad. Someone mentioned the vandy loss cost us 9 or 10 spots in RPI.

[Bulldog1]

Look I wanna make the tournament too but what place we finish in the league will have absolutely zero bearing on whether we make it or not. Educate yourself https://t.co/x4VZjsy6yv

It’s common sense that they’re not skipping us to put 4 other teams in the tourney. No way. If the SEC gets 8 in like people claim, they’re not leaving a top 4 team out.

[Quaoarsking]

It’s common sense that they’re not skipping us to put 4 other teams in the tourney. No way. If the SEC gets 8 in like people claim, they’re not leaving a top 4 team out.

In 2011 they left out 12-4 Alabama but took 10-6 Kentucky, 9-7 Vanderbilt, 9-7 Georgia, and 8-8 Tennessee.

Just saying it can happen.

[Covercorner2]

In 2011 they left out 12-4 Alabama but took 10-6 Kentucky, 9-7 Vanderbilt, 9-7 Georgia, and 8-8 Tennessee.

Just saying it can happen.

Wasn't the field smaller then?

[Ari Gold]

In 2011 they left out 12-4 Alabama but took 10-6 Kentucky, 9-7 Vanderbilt, 9-7 Georgia, and 8-8 Tennessee.

Just saying it can happen.

Agree. But they only took 5 teams that year which I said if that happens this year taking 5 or even 6 we would be in trouble.
And this was the old east and west format.
And to add the field was smaller then as well

[Quaoarsking]

Agree. But they only took 5 teams that year which I said if that happens this year taking 5 or even 6 we would be in trouble.
And this was the old east and west format.
And to add the field was smaller then as well

No, the field was 68 teams then. You do have a good point with the East/West split, but Alabama's SOS was what kept them out, and we have SOS issues this year.

[Coach34]

In 2011 they left out 12-4 Alabama but took 10-6 Kentucky, 9-7 Vanderbilt, 9-7 Georgia, and 8-8 Tennessee.

Just saying it can happen.

In 2011- the SEC was 6th in RPI as a conference. SEC is 3rd this year in conference RPI

[Quaoarsking]

In 2011- the SEC was 6th in RPI as a conference. SEC is 3rd this year in conference RPI

Not really relevant. The Committee has, this decade and under a 68 team format, left out an SEC team while still taking 4 teams with a worse conference record, as much as 4 fewer wins. The idea that it's impossible for them to do that this year is simply not backed up by history.

[Liverpooldawg]

Look I wanna make the tournament too but what place we finish in the league will have absolutely zero bearing on whether we make it or not. Educate yourself https://t.co/x4VZjsy6yv

Yep.

[curmudgeon]

Look I wanna make the tournament too but what place we finish in the league will have absolutely zero bearing on whether we make it or not. Educate yourself https://t.co/x4VZjsy6yv

It does matter historically.

Only twice has a Power Conference team been skipped over to pick up two teams. Never has a Power Conference team been skipped over to pick up three teams. If we finish 4th, they aren't going to skip over us to pick up FIVE teams.

Think about it like this.

If we go 11-7, we are likely 3rd or 4th in the SEC. Texas A&M, a LOCK for the tournament is likely to go 8-10.

So, when you are the committee and you are looking at it, you have to say, are we going to leave out a team that finished THREE GAMES better AND beat them on the road? No? Go look at the USC team that was 68th in the RPI and made it. Same situation - finished 4th in a good Pac 12 that got 7 bids.

[Pipedream]

It does matter historically.

Only twice has a Power Conference team been skipped over to pick up two teams. Never has a Power Conference team been skipped over to pick up three teams. If we finish 4th, they aren't going to skip over us to pick up FIVE teams.

Look I'm no bracketologist, but I can read. The NCAA released a sheet that actually shows the criteria they are looking at for each team. Each committee member is going to get a sheet just like that one for every team. Nowhere on that sheet is conference record nor conference finish. I understand trying to compare historical context, but this is a new set up this year. Would it look bad if A&M got in over State looking at conference records and head to head results? Absolutely. But they don't really care what it looks like. There's always massive debate on the last couple of teams in and this new system is trying to provide transparency.

[Johnson85]

Look I'm no bracketologist, but I can read. The NCAA released a sheet that actually shows the criteria they are looking at for each team. Each committee member is going to get a sheet just like that one for every team. Nowhere on that sheet is conference record nor conference finish. I understand trying to compare historical context, but this is a new set up this year. Would it look bad if A&M got in over State looking at conference records and head to head results? Absolutely. But they don't really care what it looks like. There's always massive debate on the last couple of teams in and this new system is trying to provide transparency.

Can you add and subtract? Because they have record and non-conference record on the sheet and I bet the committee members can add and subtract. Maybe they will be so busy they won't bother looking at conference record, or maybe they will just consciously choose to ignore it because that's a policy decision they've made, but provided somebody's resume is not just discarded immediately, it seems likely many of the committee members will be somewhat curious as to conference record, and the info is there if they can subtract.

[Coach34]

It does matter historically.

So, when you are the committee and you are looking at it, you have to say, are we going to leave out a team that finished THREE GAMES better AND beat them on the road? No? Go look at the USC team that was 68th in the RPI and made it. Same situation - finished 4th in a good Pac 12 that got 7 bids.

people just dont want to accept facts sometime do they 615?

[MadDawg]

people just dont want to accept facts sometime do they 615?

I don't think there has been a single "fact" not accepted. Opinions, well, they're a different animal altogether.