Buzzards roster made up of mainly Mississippi players

[5049]

If MSU, Ole Miss and Southern can all have competitive programs, that tells me that we really should be recruiting Mississippi the most. Yes, it takes a few from other areas, Matt Wallner is prime example.

[msugolf]

The baseball recruiting system is completely screwed up. Have a relative that is a MLB scout. He says that Perfect Game is absolutely scamming these parents, kids and coaches. Basically they promise you if you sign up for their teams (pay a s**t ton of money) from 9th grade on, get ranked then we?ll get you a scholarship. And they basically threaten you if you don?t then you won?t get noticed or a scholarship.

Meanwhile mlb scouts are shaking their heads at it all. These guys are making a ton of money off these parents, while not getting the best talent noticed. He showed me a video of a kid from a small town ms this weekend (6?1? 225) who is a switch hitter. Came up to JA for a game and hit bombs from both sides. Parents didn?t want to do the travel ball stuff so he?s not ranked. And likewise, his only offers are Juco and southern.

[5049]

And likewise, his only offers are Juco and southern.

That's why those teams are doing well. They probably do not have as many daddy ball problems either, like TJ surgery

[parabrave]

That's why those teams are doing well. They probably do not have as many daddy ball problems either, like TJ surgery

This all day. Maybe one kid on any travel team makes it go a higher level. Two reasons are first alot of kids quit round the 11th grade and 2nd injuries, TJ, Rotater Cuffs etc. Kids who play other fall sports are more likely to move on. Alot of older major Leaguers, Dal Murph, and doctors. Anderson. hate travel ball and encourage parents to let their kids play other sports..

[smootness]

The baseball recruiting system is completely screwed up. Have a relative that is a MLB scout. He says that Perfect Game is absolutely scamming these parents, kids and coaches. Basically they promise you if you sign up for their teams (pay a s**t ton of money) from 9th grade on, get ranked then we?ll get you a scholarship. And they basically threaten you if you don?t then you won?t get noticed or a scholarship.

Meanwhile mlb scouts are shaking their heads at it all. These guys are making a ton of money off these parents, while not getting the best talent noticed. He showed me a video of a kid from a small town ms this weekend (6?1? 225) who is a switch hitter. Came up to JA for a game and hit bombs from both sides. Parents didn?t want to do the travel ball stuff so he?s not ranked. And likewise, his only offers are Juco and southern.

Well, it sounds like they're right. Maybe lazy college coaches are the problem, not PG.

[Dawg61]

Well, it sounds like they're right. Maybe lazy college coaches are the problem, not PG.

I think it's an information & logistics problem not a lazy coach problem. There's a whole bunch of high schools out there and there's not nearly enough information out there for the coaches to get their hands on so they can start to narrow down on who they want to go after. Football and basketball don't have this problem because there's tons of recruiting services doing lots of leg work for the coaches already. Baseball isn't this lucky so they are forced to have to automatically narrow it down themselves by relying on the local travel teams to have the best players available in that area already on their teams.

[5049]

The baseball recruiting system is completely screwed up. Have a relative that is a MLB scout. He says that Perfect Game is absolutely scamming these parents, kids and coaches. Basically they promise you if you sign up for their teams (pay a s**t ton of money) from 9th grade on, get ranked then we?ll get you a scholarship. And they basically threaten you if you don?t then you won?t get noticed or a scholarship.

Meanwhile mlb scouts are shaking their heads at it all. These guys are making a ton of money off these parents, while not getting the best talent noticed. He showed me a video of a kid from a small town ms this weekend (6?1? 225) who is a switch hitter. Came up to JA for a game and hit bombs from both sides. Parents didn?t want to do the travel ball stuff so he?s not ranked. And likewise, his only offers are Juco and southern.

Also, those MLB scouts are not blameless. You could say that they are responsible for the obsession with velocity, since that is all they seem to want to recruit.

[RougeDawg]

Baseball recruiting has always been a mess. Polk was one of the worst and pissed off countless pro scouts. Polk would ask scouts who they were considering drafting and would offer scholarships. That and his camps were the extent of his recruiting efforts.

Recruiting can also be hindered by a coach with connections. I?ve seen a lot of talent wasted because the HC doesn?t recommend a player due to not seeing eye to eye. Also seen guys who have no business on a high school team get scholarships due to who Diddy knows and how much money is donated.

[HancockCountyDog]

If you just recruit MS in baseball you will have a program that routinely misses the tourney and is rarely relevant.

[ShotgunDawg]

The truth is that USM & South Alabama have better position players this year than MSU, LSU, Vandy, & Ole Miss.

The current difficulty that power programs are having in college baseball is that they are having to recruit kids so early (8th grade or 9th grade year) that they are naturally (human nature) committing & gravitating towards the more physically mature kids. Then once the non-physically mature kids (Wallner, Travis Swaggerty, etc) become good players their JR or SR years of high school, the power programs have no scholarship money left to give them or have stopped the scouting process because the class is full.

Canny will have top 5 recruiting classes at MSU, but, if most of those top recruits get drafted in the top 3 rounds & go pro, while USM & others are taking the late bloomers with real tools, then those schools will continue have better position players. LSU is terrible this year & MSU's recruiting class is about to get absolutely demolished in draft. Canny better learn to go out & find some under the radar, non-profile, quality position players that can impact the baseball but either due to speed or lack of projectable power don't appeal to pro-scouts, or like LSU, MSU will be stuck with very few quality position players. Think about this: Vandy is terrible this year but have what was 3 #1 ranked recruiting classes on their roster.

We all cheer that we are getting these big time recruits that won't make it to campus, but, if they are preventing us from being able to take late bloomers or we are stopping the scouting process because they classes are full, then it is hurting the program.

You could build the Camden Yards in college baseball & it simply won't make a huge difference. College baseball is about scouting & finding the niche of signing 4th-7th round high school draft prospects that turn into top 3 round draft prospects out of college. If you are just recruiting the top guys that are easy to scout & everyone loves, you won't get them to campus.

Just my take

[Cooterpoot]

Been there, tried it. It doesn’t work. We’ve simply sucked at recruiting. Cohen recruited slappers like crazy. He completely over thought the bat and ball changes, as well as the stadium. The years we had good years, we had a couple guys that could mash and good pitching depth. We have neither right now.

[ShotgunDawg]

Been there, tried it. It doesn’t work. We’ve simply sucked at recruiting. Cohen recruited slappers like crazy. He completely over thought the bat and ball changes, as well as the stadium. The years we had good years, we had a couple guys that could mash and good pitching depth. We have neither right now.

He also stopped recruiting & hired a JUCO assistant as his recruiting coordinator

[Coach34]

Football staffs have 10 coaches, grad assts, and office personnel helping them recruit 85 guys for a full ride.
Basketball coaches have 5 guys recruiting 13 guys with full rides

College staffs have basically 5 guys recruiting a squad of 35- and trying to figure out how to divide 11.7 scholarships.

It's easy to see how things get missed

[Dawg61]

Sign dirtbags. Target guys that if drafted won't be drafted till late. We can win a natty with a team full of dirtbags because we won't be scrambling to try to fill 6-8 spots a year on signees taking the money. Don't even go after them if they are high draft picks. Sign dirtbags instead.

[ShotgunDawg]

Sign dirtbags. Target guys that if drafted won't be drafted till late. We can win a natty with a team full of dirtbags because we won't be scrambling to try to fill 6-8 spots a year on signees taking the money. Don't even go after them if they are high draft picks. Sign dirtbags instead.

Agree. But it's virtually impossible to know who those guys are when they are in 8th or 9th grade. The mid-major have tons of scholarship money left over & are getting the those kids.

[Dawg61]

Agree. But it's virtually impossible to know who those guys are when they are in 8th or 9th grade. The mid-major have tons of scholarship money left over & are getting the those kids.

Here's an idea. Stop recruiting 8th or 9th grades. Flat out stupid to recruit a player that young and undeveloped physically. It's Tim Brewster signing an 8th grade football team stupid. If you can't get a player to sign recruiting him his jr. and sr. years in HS you are never getting that player anyways. Recruiting players before the 10th grade is a total waste of time. Save the time you'd spend wasting on an 8-9th grader by finding the guys getting unnoticed in the 12th grade. Oh and dirtbags is a high compliment for baseball players. Means they are a tough scrappy player that likes getting their uniform in the dirt. Basically a different way of saying a blue collar guy. Go get some country strong mother****ing dirtbags. We are in Mississippi. There's bus loads of these types within 200 miles in every direction. Stop relying on the Dodgers team and go watch the two best HS teams in every nook and cranny in this state and you'll find enough dirtbags to fill 3 rosters and none of them will be draft risks. There are so many good baseball players that don't understand how to recruit themselves correctly for MSU to find them so they just die out after high school.

[ShotgunDawg]

Here's an idea. Stop recruiting 8th or 9th grades. Flat out stupid to recruit a player that young and undeveloped physically. It's Tim Brewster signing an 8th grade football team stupid. If you can't get a player to sign recruiting him his jr. and sr. years in HS you are never getting that player anyways. Recruiting players before the 10th grade is a total waste of time. Save the time you'd spend wasting on an 8-9th grader by finding the guys getting unnoticed in the 12th grade. Oh and dirtbags is a high compliment for baseball players. Means they are a tough scrappy player that likes getting their uniform in the dirt. Basically a different way of saying a blue collar guy. Go get some country strong mother****ing dirtbags. We are in Mississippi. There's bus loads of these types within 200 miles in every direction. Stop relying on the Dodgers team and go watch the two best HS teams in every nook and cranny in this state and you'll find enough dirtbags to fill 3 rosters and none of them will be draft risks. There are so many good baseball players that don't understand how to recruit themselves correctly for MSU to find them so they just die out after high school.

I think you recruit about half your class early and leave scholarships open for the other half till closer to signing day.

[Dawg61]

I think you recruit about half your class early and leave scholarships open for the other half till closer to signing day.

I agree with this. You deflected on recruiting 8-9th graders though. It's a total waste of time.

[ShotgunDawg]

Sign dirtbags. Target guys that if drafted won't be drafted till late. We can win a natty with a team full of dirtbags because we won't be scrambling to try to fill 6-8 spots a year on signees taking the money. Don't even go after them if they are high draft picks. Sign dirtbags instead.

We don't have to call them dirtbags though. It's not about how hard they play.

There is actually a profile of player that you have to target.

Pro scouts like guys that profile. Meaning, center fielders that are fast, corner outfielders hit for power, SS that can field & hit, 1B that hit bombs, etc

In college baseball recruiting you have to recruit "tweeners". Just like in football recruiting, the tweeners are the guys that are good players but don't quite fit a position.

If you can corner the market on good tweeners in college baseball, you can consistently get to the CWS.

[5049]

We don't have to call them dirtbags though. It's not about how hard they play.

There is actually a profile of player that you have to target.

Pro scouts like guys that profile. Meaning, center fielders that are fast, corner outfielders hit for power, SS that can field & hit, 1B that hit bombs, etc

In college baseball recruiting you have to recruit "tweeners". Just like in football recruiting, the tweeners are the guys that are good players but don't quite fit a position.

If you can corner the market on good tweeners in college baseball, you can consistently get to the CWS.

I am with you. I like the sound of recruiting the top talent but I do not think the reality matches up well with that. I think, being in Mississippi, with no extra scholarship money, we should be targeting the 4 star type players, or the tweeners, as you say.

The only way to entice the top guys to come is going to be money. The Floridas, Vanderbilts and LSUs will always be able to do that more readily than us. Especially Vanderbilt.