I have heard from several....

[Goldendawg]

I've still got the program (in very good shape) of Jackie's 1st game he coached at State. I've thought about getting his address and sending it to him in case he doesn't have it. I sent him a wood and cloth clown puppet I bought at an arts and crafts fair back when he was Coach and he sent a great thank you note. He did a lot of things for kids behind the scenes and never blew his own horn. Hail Kang Jackie and Hail State!

[msstate7]

Dan Mullen's record 69-46 Bowl record 5-2 Highest ranking #1

Jackie Wayne record 74-76 bowl record 2-4 Highest ranking #8

I respect your opinion but that screams Mullen is better to me. People also forget Mullen had two players die during his tenure just like Jackie. He was also down to earth. He's great to former players encouraging them to come back. After Sherill there was no connection.
I've said it several times and I'll keep saying it. Mullen reminded me alot of Jackie. They are similar. This thread started on the premise of negative recruiting. Jackie' s tactics were a whole lot worse. I remember him saying there has never been a kid of he wanted him to commit he could. He wasn't the clown master for nothing..lol.

Yeah, Mullen was clearly better here

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Forget Dan, he's just an arrogant coach who runs his mouth, the AD is who I have a problem with....

[maroonmania]

Yes, Dan put a more consistent winner on the field and never had the 'awful' season where we dropped to the 3 to 4 win level like Jackie BUT its really not a fair comparison. For those of us who went through MSU football in the 80s and when Jackie took over in 1991 we had a podunk stadium with the single deck East side with a VERY small fanbase and a VERY small overall athletic budget. To compare that to what Mullen took over is really apples and oranges given how everything has exploded being part of the SEC. The biggest thing is when Dan took over the SEC had already separated itself from the smaller non-SEC conferences around us. That was not the case under JWS. I can remember when we were very worried playing the Memphis, Tulane and USMs of the world. Losing to them would be considered a major upset today (essentially like us blowing the USA game). Dan even got the benefit of an extra non-conference game and WAY more available bowls. At least 3 of Dan's bowl trips would not have occurred during Jackie's tenure with the same record. Also, back in Jackie's day we couldn't even fill up a 41,000 seat stadium in 1998 with the SEC West on the line. Could you even imagine such a thing today? Jackie really started from square one building the program when no MSU fan really thought we could compete. Yes, Dan had to deal with Saban but he just had so much more to work with than Jackie that I don't feel you can directly compare. I actually think JWS accomplished more given what he started with than what Dan did.

[bulldawg28]

Yes, Dan put a more consistent winner on the field and never had the 'awful' season where we dropped to the 3 to 4 win level like Jackie BUT its really not a fair comparison. For those of us who went through MSU football in the 80s and when Jackie took over in 1991 we had a podunk stadium with the single deck East side with a VERY small fanbase and a VERY small overall athletic budget. To compare that to what Mullen took over is really apples and oranges given how everything has exploded being part of the SEC. The biggest thing is when Dan took over the SEC had already separated itself from the smaller non-SEC conferences around us. That was not the case under JWS. I can remember when we were very worried playing the Memphis, Tulane and USMs of the world. Losing to them would be considered a major upset today (essentially like us blowing the USA game). Dan even got the benefit of an extra non-conference game and WAY more available bowls. At least 3 of Dan's bowl trips would not have occurred during Jackie's tenure with the same record. Also, back in Jackie's day we couldn't even fill up a 41,000 seat stadium in 1998 with the SEC West on the line. Could you even imagine such a thing today? Jackie really started from square one building the program when no MSU fan really thought we could compete. Yes, Dan had to deal with Saban but he just had so much more to work with than Jackie that I don't feel you can directly compare. I actually think JWS accomplished more given what he started with than what Dan did.

I agree that Jackie took lemons and made lemonade. Dan is responsible for a larger stadium, new football facility and renewed sense and belief in the football program.

[maroonmania]

I agree that Jackie took lemons and made lemonade. Dan is responsible for a larger stadium, new football facility and renewed sense and belief in the football program.

That is sort of a wash to me given Jackie got the East side expansion with skyboxes done under LT the penny pincher. And before Sherrill there was no belief in the football program to 'renew'.

[bulldawg28]

That is sort of a wash to me given Jackie got the East side expansion with skyboxes done under LT the penny pincher. And before Sherrill there was no belief in the football program to 'renew'.

Agreed

[was21]

Sherrill also got us on probation. Mullen leaves Sherrill in the dust in all aspects..just the way it is

[bulldawg28]

Sherrill also got us on probation. Mullen leaves Sherrill in the dust in all aspects..just the way it is

Absolute truth.

[Bully13]

Sherrill also got us on probation. Mullen leaves Sherrill in the dust in all aspects..just the way it is

"in all aspects" ? seriously?

[Bully13]

Muffins is a dickhead. the Kang is loyal .

[DownwardDawg]

Sherrill also got us on probation. Mullen leaves Sherrill in the dust in all aspects..just the way it is

Merlins is gay. Sherrill is the GOAT!!!
Sherrill did what he did with LT as the AD. Merlin had the Ninja and Keenum. JWS is twice the coach Mullins aspires to be. Every time I walked into the stadium in the 90’s, I EXPECTED TO WIN. The last 9 years when we played Bama or in a huge game, I knew we were losing.

[maroonmania]

Sherrill also got us on probation. Mullen leaves Sherrill in the dust in all aspects..just the way it is

If you really believe this 'leaving in the dust' perspective then you have little appreciation for the history of our program and how things evolved. Yes, JWS did come to us with an NCAA bullseye on his back, in fact that is the only way we got him. Otherwise he would have been leading some elite program somewhere because, unlike Mullen, JWS was a proven big time HC before he ever set foot in Starkville. But it was a very different NCAA at the time where at one time in the 90s nearly half the SEC was on some kind of probation. Now days unless you go to OM levels of cheating the NCAA hardly bats an eye and when they do, you still get very little punishment. And even with that, with the Redmond deal, Mullen actually did get us on probation as well. Guess we will just agree to disagree.

[redstickdawg]

I agree that Jackie took lemons and made lemonade. Fogelsong hiring Ninja is responsible for a larger stadium, new football facility and Don and our athletes renewed sense and belief in the football program.

FIFY

[Coach34]

I agree that Jackie took lemons and made lemonade. Dan is responsible for a larger stadium, new football facility and renewed sense and belief in the football program.

Jackie got the upper decks built in spite of LT and even had to give up a home game vs Fla because LT was offered $1MM to do it.
To show you had bad it was under LT- Jackie tried over and over to get one of the practice fields fixed because part of it had sunk some- LT kept putting him off- we lost a WR to an ACL during practice because of it. LT nearly got his ass beat over that one.

Mullen didnt have to fight those battles

[Tbonewannabe]

Jackie got the upper decks built in spite of LT and even had to give up a home game vs Fla because LT was offered $1MM to do it.
To show you had bad it was under LT- Jackie tried over and over to get one of the practice fields fixed because part of it had sunk some- LT kept putting him off- we lost a WR to an ACL during practice because of it. LT nearly got his ass beat over that one.

Mullen didnt have to fight those battles

Also, Bama might not have been as great as they are now but they were still in a National Title hunt almost every year. The SEC West might be as tough as possible now but it was still one of the toughest in the country at that time and we weren't as close to even footing then. Dan benefitted greatly from the SEC money almost leveling the playing field combined with almost 4 OOC wins every year. Dan gave us stability but Jackie gave us a real chance at the SEC title in Atlanta.

[Coach34]

Also, Bama might not have been as great as they are now but they were still in a National Title hunt almost every year. The SEC West might be as tough as possible now but it was still one of the toughest in the country at that time and we weren't as close to even footing then. Dan benefitted greatly from the SEC money almost leveling the playing field combined with almost 4 OOC wins every year. Dan gave us stability but Jackie gave us a real chance at the SEC title in Atlanta.

Jackie and Richard Williams raised the ceilings for our programs

Mullen and Stands brought consistency and raised the floors

[gravedigger]

Your dad should have pulled out. So is your mother the dumb one or him?

This kind of post should get someone at least a temporary ban. It?s juvinile at best. Grow up or go away

[bulldawg28]

This kind of post should get someone at least a temporary ban. It?s juvinile at best. Grow up or go away

He started with a personal insult I responded back. Kick rocks

[TUSK]

He started with a personal insult I responded back. Kick rocks

Ahhhh, the "He Started It" Defense! A Classic...

I think I would have been more offensive and proactive and employed the "I'm Rubber, You're Glue" Tactic...