Are we gonna have SB game thread?

[Todd4State]

Brady is 40 and just threw for 505 yards in the Super Bowl tonight. Not his fault his defense sucks and his best WR got knocked out with a concussion. Dude threw for 505 yards tonight at the age of 40!! GTFO of here saying Montana is better than him. What a ****ing joke. Some of y'all will never say Brady is GOAT no matter what cause you're a HATER. Period. Jealousy is never a good look.

Or maybe some people have an actual rational reason for it?

It's really hard to argue with 4-0 when you are 5-3 and losing to Eli Manning and the Eagles back up QB. Not to mention Brady is a lot closer to being 3-5 than Montana was to ever losing a game.

[Quaoarsking]

Or maybe some people have an actual rational reason for it?

It's really hard to argue with 4-0 when you are 5-3 and losing to Eli Manning and the Eagles back up QB. Not to mention Brady is a lot closer to being 3-5 than Montana was to ever losing a game.

Yeah, Brady should have tanked those 3 AFC title games, then he could be 5-0 and win your comparison.**

I'll take the guy who, in 16 seasons as a starter, made the playoffs 94% of the time, played in the AFC title game 75% of the time, played in the Super Bowl 50% of the time, and won the Super Bowl 31% of the time.

To be fair, Montana is great on those percentages too (82%, 55%, 36%, 36%). But I don't think Super Bowl won/loss record is a very good way to evaluate a team unless you also throw in years they missed the Super Bowl altogether.

ETA - Those Montana percentages are for his time on the 49ers only, not including 1979, 1991, or 1992. Add in the Chiefs and you get (84%, 54%, 31%, 31%). Brady's number's don't include 2000 or 2008.

[Todd4State]

People have forgotten who Montana's WR's were for his first two Super Bowls- Dwight Clark and Freddie Soloman. A lot of people think that Montana and Rice came on at the same time and that's not true. Brady had a guy that just went into the HOF in Randy Moss yesterday, and I think Gronk is a HOF TE as well. Aaron Hernandez was a terrible human being- but he was also a really good TE/WR/H-Back and probably would have been a HOF had he stayed out of trouble. Troy Brown was a good WR. Wes Welker is one of the best slot WR's in NFL history. Montana only had Rice and Taylor for 1988 and 1989. He also didn't have Roger Craig in 1981 either.

Montana is better. And to me, it's like Hank Aaron being "better" than Babe Ruth...yeah- he hit more home runs but Ruth did it in 16 years while Aaron did it in 22. Montana made it to essentially 50% of the Super Bowls in his career from 1981-1990 because he missed a year or two with injuries. (Half of 1986 and all of 1991 and played one game in 1992.

Here's why Montana is better to me- he is way more mobile than Brady and a lot more clutch. He also was never accused of cheating. But I think if you put Brady in Montana's era...Brady would have gotten beaten up to. You put Joe into today's era with these RPO's and wide open spread offenses plus the fact that he's mobile and they protect QB's...there's no question in my mind Joe would be better.

[msstate7]

Or maybe some people have an actual rational reason for it?

It's really hard to argue with 4-0 when you are 5-3 and losing to Eli Manning and the Eagles back up QB. Not to mention Brady is a lot closer to being 3-5 than Montana was to ever losing a game.

The afc was horrible during Montana career. The afc won 1 super bowl during Montana career

[dawgday166]

The afc was horrible during Montana career. The afc won 1 super bowl during Montana career

Yea ... but the Giant and Bears weren't.

[Todd4State]

Yea ... but the Giant and Bears weren't.

And the Redskins.

And those terrible AFC teams that Joe beat were led by: Ken Anderson (a borderline HOF QB who probably will get in one day), DAN MARINO during a season where he threw 50 TD passes, Boomer Esiason (the weakest of the group but it was his best year), and JOHN ELWAY.

I'm not sure if the AFC teams were really that bad or if the NFC teams were that elite.

And I don't recall any of those teams starting their back-up QB. Or Joe losing to Eli ****ing Manning. Kevin Fant has a better record against Eli than Brady. And then you have who? Jake Delhomme? Donovan McNabb was about Esiason level. I'll certainly give Brady credit for Kurt Warner, Matt Ryan, and Russell Wilson. And we'll see how Ryan and Wilson fare down the road- but that group is hardly Elway/Marino-esque.

[msstate7]

Only for 2 SBs. Still take Joe. He did it at ND in college too. Came real close to doing it with KC.

17 point loss in afc title game is not close to a super bowl win. Cowboys beat the bills by 17 too

[dawgday166]

17 point loss in afc title game is not close to a super bowl win. Cowboys beat the bills by 17 too

He got knocked out with a concussion. It's why he retired.

[msstate7]

Yea ... but the Giant and Bears weren't.

Well you guys are using super bowl win % as factor of who was better. NFC in super bowl was a given...

[Todd4State]

Well you guys are using super bowl win % as factor of who was better. NFC in super bowl was a given...

How so? They both had to play the game. Any of those great NFC powers could have gotten upset- like Brady did THREE times.

[msstate7]

He got knocked out with a concussion. It's why he retired.

He played the next year

[dawgday166]

He played the next year

You're right. But he did get knocked out with concussion. And he retired because of concussions.

[msstate7]

No he didn't

93 lost in afc championship game to bills
94 lost to dolphins in wildcard

http://www.nfl.com/player/joemontana...66/careerstats

[msstate7]

Just think if Montana had beaten the bills in 1993 and lost to the cowboys, he would not have been the GOAT*^

[dawgday166]

Just think if Montana had beaten the bills in 1993 and lost to the cowboys, he would not have been the GOAT*^

Montana wasn't Kelly. He wouldn't have lost.

[Todd4State]

Montana wasn't Kelly. He wouldn't have lost.

I was about to say- if Montana had taken the Chiefs to the Super Bowl I wouldn't have been shocked at all if he would have won. He beat the Super Bowl Champion 49ers in 1994 and Elway again with one of the greatest comebacks his last year.

It basically all comes down to era and how we think that a player would have done in a certain era vs. the other.

[dawgday166]

I was about to say- if Montana had taken the Chiefs to the Super Bowl I wouldn't have been shocked at all if he would have won. He beat the Super Bowl Champion 49ers in 1994 and Elway again with one of the greatest comebacks his last year.

It basically all comes down to era and how we think that a player would have done in a certain era vs. the other.

I'm with you. Brady ... he ok sorta.

[Todd4State]

Just think if Montana had beaten the bills in 1993 and lost to the cowboys, he would not have been the GOAT*^

Well, it didn't happen that way. If if's and's or but's are candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas.

[msstate7]

Montana wasn't Kelly. He wouldn't have lost.

Yeah, he would. The cowboys would have beat the afc pro bowl team (kinda kidding, kinda not)

[dawgday166]

Yeah, he would. The cowboys would have beat the afc pro bowl team (kinda kidding, kinda not)

Cowboys were an average NFC champion at best.