Rosebowl vs OM: Who 'won"?

[BeastMan]

Actually a lot of people agree with me. You need to listen to people other than MSU folks, esp those MSU people that post on the net. Would you rather have Matt Luke as your coach than Freeze? If you do then you are correct. If you wouldn't then I'm correct. The emotional response, and I had it as well at first, is that they got off light because it wasn't as bad as we thought it would be. When you actually look at the total picture, it hurt them bad, and it's not over for them either.

Freeze getting fired had nothing to do with the NCAA. Had he not used state issued phones to call hookers he’d still be employed. They absolutely got off light from a sanctions standpoint. The cloud and PR was the worst part. Lastly, it’s over. No more is coming in relation to this case.

[Turfdawg67]

Freeze getting fired had nothing to do with the NCAA. Had he not used state issued phones to call hookers he?d still be employed. They absolutely got off light from a sanctions standpoint. The cloud and PR was the worst part. Lastly, it?s over. No more is coming in relation to this case.

^^^ Bingo!

[confucius say]

For the millionth time... YOU are about the only one that thinks OM got hammered. Don't know why you continue to argue this point when hardly NO ONE else agrees with you.

Maybe not hammered, but this narrative they got off, even on schollies, is ridiculous, makes us look stupid, and is contrary to every national article written on the subject (see Dennis Dodd article Thursday).

Tell you what, no bowl games for us next two years, half a recruiting class taken away, 8 transfers including KT or Fitz, and Luke/longo/mcgriff. Then tell me we got off.

Their ceiling next 3 years is 6-6, with an outside shot of a Bowless 7-5 on 2018.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Who "discovered" the phone calls to the hookers..... Rosebowl.

[confucius say]

Freeze getting fired had nothing to do with the NCAA. Had he not used state issued phones to call hookers he’d still be employed. They absolutely got off light from a sanctions standpoint. The cloud and PR was the worst part. Lastly, it’s over. No more is coming in relation to this case.

Over? Yes in the sense the penalties have come down. But the impact is nowhere close to over. They had the weakest schedule in the sec West last year (drew ky and vandy from east) and went 6-6 with the most talented roster they will have until 2021. Their goal until 2021 is 6-6.

Nobody outside of our bubble thinks the om penalties were light. Could the have been worse? Yes.

[Liverpooldawg]

Freeze getting fired had nothing to do with the NCAA. Had he not used state issued phones to call hookers he’d still be employed. They absolutely got off light from a sanctions standpoint. The cloud and PR was the worst part. Lastly, it’s over. No more is coming in relation to this case.

Do you REALLY believe that? There were quiet rumblings all along that if UM would fire Freeze the NCAA stuff wouldn't be that bad. You will never make me believe that ROSEBOWL was the first person to find those phone numbers.

[Liverpooldawg]

Over? Yes in the sense the penalties have come down. But the impact is nowhere close to over. They had the weakest schedule in the sec West last year (drew ky and vandy from east) and went 6-6 with the most talented roster they will have until 2021. Their goal until 2021 is 6-6.

Nobody outside of our bubble thinks the om penalties were light. Could the have been worse? Yes.

Exactly.

[PassInterference]

1) it?s not Steve vs OM. It is Steve vs The in-State media who ignored the biggest college football scandal in decades.

2) The only thing Steve missed on was the number of scholarships. And to be fair everybody outside or Oxford was shocked at how light OM got off. By the NCAA?s own penalty matrix, Steve had it right and the NCAA got it wrong.

[parabrave]

Steve was right so he won because all the bears said he was lying. Not his fault the NCAA was a nutless entity.

This all day

[BeastMan]

1) it?s not Steve vs OM. It is Steve vs The in-State media who ignored the biggest college football scandal in decades.

2) The only thing Steve missed on was the number of scholarships. And to be fair everybody outside or Oxford was shocked at how light OM got off. By the NCAA?s own penalty matrix, Steve had it right and the NCAA got it wrong.

1. It is Steve vs OM when you consider that they were feeding friendly media to push their agenda. Hence, why in the op i said OM and their media.

2. Steve's accuracy, which was really good, wasn't what I said. I didn't ask if he was right, because he mostly was. I asked if he won.

[coachnorm]

I have posted a concept to fellow Elite Doggers that I believe that OM had dirt on the NCAA. The dirt was used to minimize sanctions. OM did not threaten the Organization "NCAA", I believe that members were PERSONALLY threatened with actions by OM that would be PERSONALLY horrific. Concepts like monitoring PERSONAL tax evasions or monitoring marital infidelities and using this type of knowledge to PERSONALLY destroy members lives could be used as executing PERSONAL terrorism. No matter how compelling the evidence for sanctions were, NCAA members had to act in a manner to protect themselves PERSONALLY. Maybe someone brought a knife to a gun fight? How do you determine a winner? I believe that the NCAA wanted to hammer OM but the scorched earth after the fact was not worth it.

[Bothrops]

You could say it was more like a game of..Steve vs the NCAA to do their job, and the NCAA made up the rules.

[confucius say]

1. It is Steve vs OM when you consider that they were feeding friendly media to push their agenda. Hence, why in the op i said OM and their media.

2. Steve's accuracy, which was really good, wasn't what I said. I didn't ask if he was right, because he mostly was. I asked if he won.

How would a reporter ?win? other than being right in their reporting? Serious question.

[Turfdawg67]

Maybe not hammered, but this narrative they got off, even on schollies, is ridiculous, makes us look stupid, and is contrary to every national article written on the subject (see Dennis Dodd article Thursday).

Tell you what, no bowl games for us next two years, half a recruiting class taken away, 8 transfers including KT or Fitz, and Luke/longo/mcgriff. Then tell me we got off.

Their ceiling next 3 years is 6-6, with an outside shot of a Bowless 7-5 on 2018.

No, it's not ridiculous to say... but it's stupid to say 13 scholarships over 3 is harsh. They had 15 Level 1 violations. The HEADCOACH took a booster in to see recruits and said head coach got a 1 game suspension! It was a freaking slap on the wrist by a toothless NCAA COI, period. You think being a 6-6 football team is justice? They should be ULL's homecoming team after the NCAA got through with that cesspool.

Half their recruiting class taken away? Where do you get that?? You think they're only signing 12 this year? That's not how that works.

[Turfdawg67]

Do you REALLY believe that? There were quiet rumblings all along that if UM would fire Freeze the NCAA stuff wouldn't be that bad. You will never make me believe that ROSEBOWL was the first person to find those phone numbers.

Well, sorry... he and his wife were the first ones to find the numbers. Ha! OM would've fired Freeze?? For what, receiving a 1 game suspension? What a joke. By your silly logic you'd think that the honorable OM would get rid of their AD that has 3 programs on probation... but no, Bjork got a raise and new title.

[Liverpooldawg]

Well, sorry... he and his wife were the first ones to find the numbers. Ha! OM would've fired Freeze?? For what, receiving a 1 game suspension? What a joke. By your silly logic you'd think that the honorable OM would get rid of their AD that has 3 programs on probation... but no, Bjork got a raise and new title.

They were the first ones we know about. My guess is Ole Miss knew all along. They got rid of him to appease the NCAA.

[confucius say]

No, it's not ridiculous to say... but it's stupid to say 13 scholarships over 3 is harsh. They had 15 Level 1 violations. The HEADCOACH took a booster in to see recruits and said head coach got a 1 game suspension! It was a freaking slap on the wrist by a toothless NCAA COI, period. You think being a 6-6 football team is justice? They should be ULL's homecoming team after the NCAA got through with that cesspool.

Half their recruiting class taken away? Where do you get that?? You think they're only signing 12 this year? That's not how that works.

It doesn?t matter if they had 10, 15, or 20 level 1s. A case as a whole is categorized as level 1,2, or 3 against an institution, and the institution is penalized according to the matrix. You don?t get level 1 penalties for every level 1 infraction. That?s what we didn?t understand, self included, and you still don?t. The committees report states that clearly.

I didn?t say Half a recruiting class this year. I said half a recruiting class. They will lose half a recruiting class over three years. Every d1 coach in America will tell you that is a huge deal.

[Political Hack]

Steve wants money and to feed his ego. Same thing he wanted when State was under investigation. He got hits and money both times. By my account he’s winning personally and professionally at the expense of State fans, but that seems his business. And I’ll readily admit he’s good at it. Kudos are well deserved.

Unfortunately, Ole Miss skated. They sure as shit didn’t “win” anything though. Losing scholarships, past wins vacated, head coach gone, reputation tarnished with the local and national media, Mars 3 feet up their arse, and a bowl ban and money gone to boot. Should they have gotten more? Absolutely. Did they “win”? Not even close.

[Todd4State]

My thought is MSU won. At least long term. Thank Rosebowl for that? Absolutely.

The Egg Bowl win and the light sanctions are merely saving face for Ole Miss at this point. Maybe they win their appeal and maybe they don't- even if they do there is a good chance that they won't go to a bowl either way and they lost some key impact players. I think it will really surface just how bad it was in 2019 as far as on the field results are concerned.

To answer your question- Rosebowl won. He forced them to get rid of Freeze which gave Rosebowl a lot of notoriety and it helped him to make money by selling his book. I don't think people look at him as being "wrong" necessarily about the NCAA sanctions as much as it is about the NCAA just being a worthless organization.

As I sort of referenced before- the fallout for Ole Miss is just starting. They have an unqualified coach that will not succeed there and likely just had the best season of his career- highlighted by a win where his team embarrassed themselves by thugging out and a last second win over Kentucky....with players that they paid for. This year they had a few upperclassmen still from the 2013 class like Wilkens and the 2016 class had some talented players. Going forward, the 2013 guys have graduated out and a lot of the 2016 class has transferred out. And I imagine a lot of the impact players that are still around will probably declare for the NFL draft after this year. And if they lose their appeal they could see a few more guys transfer out.

But this goes a lot deeper than MSU/Ole Miss. The real damage is the fact that even though they got a slap on the wrist they will not be able to recruit nationally on the level like they did in 2013 and 2016. That's why they are trying to start to recruit locally starting in 2019. However...there are some problems. MSU has stuck to that local model for over 9 years now and isn't stopping and has made a LOT of in roads in state over that time. Ole Miss is behind in most places in Mississippi. Even worse for them, Dan Mullen left and based on the early returns I don't think they will be able to push Joe around like they did with Dan in recruiting. Plus, MSU has Hud, T-Buck, Baker, and then the off the field all-star staff highlighted by Brad Peterson, Rod Gibson, and Patrick Austin on their side.

My theory on Ole Miss's success in state recruiting during Dan's era is that they were able to get most of the offensive talent in state not because they were paying a lot of money, but because Dan and his country club just didn't put enough emphasis on recruiting those players. Interestingly enough on the defensive side where Dan typically had his better recruiters, we cleaned up on that side of the ball. Even with players that Ole Miss wanted badly and was paying- like Leo, Kobe, Chris Jones, and Jeffrey Simmons among others. If that theory is true, then MSU will probably start to dominate the state even more with Joe as the head coach if he places more emphasis on the players on the offensive side in recruiting. Add in the fact that Ole Miss is likely to not be good the next few years while we have very good seasons...that's a major problem for them.

On top of all of that, Jeremy Pruitt is obviously trying to take over Memphis. That's also not good for Ole Miss. And it looks like Byron DeVinner is wearing a lot of orange lately.

[cujo]

Steve wants money and to feed his ego. Same thing he wanted when State was under investigation. He got hits and money both times. By my account he?s winning personally and professionally at the expense of State fans, but that seems his business. And I?ll readily admit he?s good at it. Kudos are well deserved.

Unfortunately, Ole Miss skated. They sure as shit didn?t ?win? anything though. Losing scholarships, past wins vacated, head coach gone, reputation tarnished with the local and national media, Mars 3 feet up their arse, and a bowl ban and money gone to boot. Should they have gotten more? Absolutely. Did they ?win?? Not even close.

It?s been 60 days since punishments were handed out