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    Babe 17ing Ruth---

    Once upon a time, there lived a man named George Herman Ruth, people called him "Babe". He was a large man with a happy smile. He travelled the country and people paid money to see him play. Because he brought them joy and excitement. People said he hit a ball so high it would strike a cloud and cause rain to pour and so far that the human eye could not follow.

    It was said that his smile could chase away the dark and make the sun shine, and that with a wink of his eye he could make a sick child well again.

    It has been written that he once pointed to a distant spot and then proceeded to drive a baseball to that very spot.

    It has been said he could eat 25 hotdogs in a single sitting and settle them with one mighty belch.

    It has been said he saved baseball after the scandal of the 1919 World Series and that one time the 3 most famous Americans were George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and Babe Ruth.

    Ruth was physically unique, possessed with a rare combination of lightening reflexes , superb judgment and timing and excellent eye sight.

    He was a lusty eater and drinker, and by all reports a grand -scale womanizer.

    take a look at 1921. he hit 59 HR. (for a 3rd yr in a row setting a new 1 season home run record)

    Of every 8 HR's that year in the American League, one of those was hit by the Babe. think about that . has that settled in yet?

    He drove in 171 runs and scored 177, an all time high. he walked 144 times. He hit 44 doubles and 16 triples. amassed a record 457 total bases and batted .378.

    his slugging % was .846, the year before was .847 and if you don't think those are some potatoes, consider that no hitter in history except Ruth himself , has ever came within 100 points of either figure.

    It was the single most sustained performance in baseball history. he hit above .370 six times with a high of .393 in 1923. His lifetime batting avg is .342. His life time slugging average is .690, 56 points higher than runner up Ted Williams.

    between 1926 & 1933, he led the league in walks 7 of those 8 years. despite the fact he had Lou Gehrig batting behind him EVERY single 17ing time. If that does not prove he was the most feared man that ever stepped into a batter's box, I don't know what does.

    he is , and will always be the all time sultan of swat, hand's down.

    no batter has ever separated himself further apart from his fellow players in ANY player in baseball than the Babe. it's not even remotely close.

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    Barry Bonds is/was better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    Barry Bonds is/was better.
    only a cold hearted "historian" would dispute the cold facts. nobody separated themselves from the rest of the field than Ruth. Nobody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    Barry Bonds is/was better.
    I wish Barry had not tainted himself. He was too good to cheat

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    I wish Barry had not tainted himself. He was too good to cheat
    roids vs hot dogs and booze . take you pick. wanna compare stats regarding the field? care to take a gander?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    Barry Bonds is/was better.
    Baseball reference disagrees with you. I looked up the top 10 bWAR seasons of all time... babe Ruth had 6 of the 10 including the top 3. Bonds does have 2, but none are top 5

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/l...t_season.shtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bully13 View Post
    roids vs hot dogs and booze . take you pick. wanna compare stats regarding the field? care to take a gander?
    I looked up bWAR for each, and the stats agree with you that babe was much better than his peers. If I need a hit bottom of the 9th facing Mariano Rivera in his prime though, I want Barry bonds in his prime at the plate

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Baseball reference disagrees with you. I looked up the top 10 bWAR seasons of all time... babe Ruth had 6 of the 10 including the top 3. Bonds does have 2, but none are top 5

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/l...t_season.shtml
    This. Babe was hitting 30-50 hrs a year when most teams weren?t even hitting that many. Also this isn?t hitting but Ruth was a pretty dang good pitcher at one time, too. So many great hitters through history that you can learn from any of them from any era. Who knows what stats Teddy Ballgame would?ve racked up if he hadn?t lost 5 years of his prime due to military service. Nod has to go to Ruth cause he was first, he set the standard. Great hitters will always be compared against Ruth. Also Barry doesn?t have a candy bar named after him
    Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    I looked up bWAR for each, and the stats agree with you that babe was much better than his peers. If I need a hit bottom of the 9th facing Mariano Rivera in his prime though, I want Barry bonds in his prime at the plate
    no batter EVER came close to separating themselves from the rest of the field than Ruth. that is the ONLY way you compare yesterday's players to today's . Ruth will ALWAYS be the all time Sultan of SWAT. Hands Down.

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    This is one of the things I love about Baseball. Ruth would?ve been a dominant hitter in the 21st century, bonds would?ve been a dominate hitter in the 30?s. You can?t do these same comparisons with football and basketball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commercecomet24 View Post
    This is one of the things I love about Baseball. Ruth would?ve been a dominant hitter in the 21st century, bonds would?ve been a dominate hitter in the 30?s. You can?t do these same comparisons with football and basketball.
    nobody separated themselves from their peers more than Ruth. Case Closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bully13 View Post
    nobody separated themselves from their peers more than Ruth. Case Closed.
    Yeah, but how many of his peers would play today? How many 90+ fastballs did Ruth see? A hitter today sees pretty much nothing but high octane velocity and pitching specialists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Yeah, but how many of his peers would play today? How many 90+ fastballs did Ruth see? A hitter today sees pretty much nothing but high octane velocity and pitching specialists.
    Did you just go and reopen "the case"?*
    "It is not courage to resist TUSK; It is courage to accept TUSK."

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    Easy there buddy. Tusk is...well Tusk is Tusk. Tireddawg 12.20.17

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    Barry Bonds is/was better.
    take Bond's best year. how many HR's were hit? what % were hit by other players in the NL?

    waiting. the crickets are growing old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Yeah, but how many of his peers would play today? How many 90+ fastballs did Ruth see? A hitter today sees pretty much nothing but high octane velocity and pitching specialists.
    All true but still doesn't change the fact that nobody was as dominant during their time than Ruth. He's not the greatest player of all time IMO but he did seperate himself from his peers more than anyone ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoeless joe View Post
    All true but still doesn't change the fact that nobody was as dominant during their time than Ruth. He's not the greatest player of all time IMO but he did seperate himself from his peers more than anyone ever.
    Vs his peers, I have no argument. Vs all time guys though, I do not think Ruth is the best

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Yeah, but how many of his peers would play today? How many 90+ fastballs did Ruth see? A hitter today sees pretty much nothing but high octane velocity and pitching specialists.
    The specialist part i agree with. But there were just as many if not more 90+ throwers in Ruth?s era as bonds.

    And Ruth didn?t have the steroids/hgh help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Yeah, but how many of his peers would play today? How many 90+ fastballs did Ruth see? A hitter today sees pretty much nothing but high octane velocity and pitching specialists.
    BS. we're talking what the guys went up against as they saw them. Ruth distinguished himself like no other batter in baseball history. period. do I need to go the MLB and post some stats showing where he led the league by 20 plus multiple times? how many times did Bonds, McGuire, Sosa lead the league by 20 homers ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Yeah, but how many of his peers would play today? How many 90+ fastballs did Ruth see? A hitter today sees pretty much nothing but high octane velocity and pitching specialists.
    I'm sure a lot of them would adjust if they had the same training and resources players today do. Also, imagine what Ruth could have done if he actually took care of himself. The guy put up insane numbers and didn't even bother trying to be in top physical form. Bonds took roids to get his numbers while Ruth ate hotdogs...

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    You can go either way but I take Bonds.

    Here is why:

    - Bonds has FAR more defensive value. Bonds had a life time defensive WAR of 67.6 & Ruth was -18.6

    - Bonds had 500+ more lifetime walks than Ruth. Give him those 500 more BBs & his lifetime WAR is higher.

    - Bonds stole 514 bases compared to Ruth's 123. Barry simply caused more headaches for other team.

    - Ruth had far more protection in the lineup than Bonds.

    - Bonds played in an era of bullpens & free agency, where he had to face numerous more pitchers once a game or once in a career.

    - Bonds is the only player in history to completely change his game. Was an batting average/stolen base guy & then transformed into a home run guy. How he did that is irrelevent in this conversation.

    We don't know if Chipper used PEDS, Vlad, Hoffman, etc. We simply don't KNOW, but I truthfully believe that if you were building a baseball team from scratch with any one person to ever grace planet Earth, you would choose Barry Lamar Bonds.

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