Chipper will be elected to HOF tomorrow. What percentage of the vote will he get?

[KB21]

I hate that the HOF has become so much about magic numbers and as you can tell- public groupthink essentially based on hearsay in some cases regarding steroids.

To me, if I think a player is a HOF player I'm voting him in regardless of what he did off the field and regardless of their numbers. Will Clark was the best first baseman in the game in the late 80's and argueably the early 1990's. Injuries taking a toll on his career are no different than injuries taking a toll on Sandy Koufax and Dizzy Dean's career- and yes, I think both of them belong in without question. And I would have no problem with Clark getting in. And as far as Palmeiro- 3K hits and 500 home runs in a career get you in.

Heck, I think if you are the best pinch hitter in MLB history, best set-up guy, best whatever- put them in.

Yep, just like I think Dale Murphy should be in the HOF. He was one of, if not the most feared hitter in the game during the 1980s, a two time MVP, silver slugger, gold glove awards....etc.

[The Federalist Engineer]

There is a St Louis baseball writer who has a vote that is working to cost Chipper votes because Chipper joked about putting gators in the Rio Grande to stop illegal immigration ... so that?s one vote he won?t get

[msstate7]

There is a St Louis baseball writer who has a vote that is working to cost Chipper votes because Chipper joked about putting gators in the Rio Grande to stop illegal immigration ... so that?s one vote he won?t get

If you vote or not vote for someone over political reasons, you should lose your vote

[The Federalist Engineer]

Sheffield is a definite yes but the Crime dawg was basically just good but not great

crime dawg was almost platoon material against all decent lefties

As a Braves fan, I still remember Kevin Brown basically owning us in several series loses

[msstate7]

Andruw Jones should make it, but he won?t

[Ari Gold]

Andruw Jones should make it, but he won?t

He shouldn’t make what ?? The Braves hall of fame ?

[msstate7]

He shouldn’t make what ?? The Braves hall of fame ?

Andruw should make the mlb hall of fame. Already a member of the braves? Hof

[Ari Gold]

Andruw should make the mlb hall of fame. Already a member of the braves? Hof

You can’t be serious.. wow.

[msstate7]

You can’t be serious.. wow.

434 HRs, one of if not the best defensive OF ever, and 67.1 fWAR over 14 years

Referencing that 67.1 fWAR... Ken Griffey jr had 77.7 fWAR over 21 years. Andruw avg fWAR per year = 4.8; Griffey avg fWAR per year = 3.7

[Cooterpoot]

While I personally wouldn’t vote for Jones, his numbers are more impressive than most people realize. And talking about Biggio, his kid played ball with mine. I’m 6’1, 215. I’d guess he’s about 5’9, 170. But he’s a health freak, so I’m not sure I buy him on roids. A couple years ago, I had a couple flights with Conseco. That sum beach don’t have a brain cell left. Was jacked up on something both flights. Could barely speak.

[Ari Gold]

434 HRs, one of if not the best defensive OF ever, and 67.1 fWAR over 14 years

Referencing that 67.1 fWAR... Ken Griffey jr had 77.7 fWAR over 21 years. Andruw avg fWAR per year = 4.8; Griffey avg fWAR per year = 3.7

It’s the Hall of Fame.. not the Hall of good or Hall of Very Good
And to have Jr and Jones in the same breath is absurd.

[Quaoarsking]

434 HRs, one of if not the best defensive OF ever, and 67.1 fWAR over 14 years

Referencing that 67.1 fWAR... Ken Griffey jr had 77.7 fWAR over 21 years. Andruw avg fWAR per year = 4.8; Griffey avg fWAR per year = 3.7

Baseball Reference has 4 different formulas that measure players' Hall of Fame credentials:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...onesan01.shtml

Andruw Jones meets the standard on 1 of the 4, which is admittedly more than I would have assumed, so he should at least be in the conversation and get enough votes to stay on the ballot for 10 years.

[Commercecomet24]

Bill James has written some great books on the Hall of Fame and things to look for in a true Hall of Famer. The Politics Of Glory is my favorite. Great reads if you love baseball and it?s history.

[msstate7]

Baseball Reference has 4 different formulas that measure players' Hall of Fame credentials:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...onesan01.shtml

Andruw Jones meets the standard on 1 of the 4, which is admittedly more than I would have assumed, so he should at least be in the conversation and get enough votes to stay on the ballot for 10 years.

I prefer fangraphs. Here is their article on Andruw...

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/in-d...e-credentials/

[shoeless joe]

It’s the Hall of Fame.. not the Hall of good or Hall of Very Good
And to have Jr and Jones in the same breath is absurd.

While I'm not sure Andruw belongs in Cooperstown, Griffey doesn't hold a candle to him on the defensive side of the ball, so he should be in the discussion.

[BoomBoom]

I prefer fangraphs. Here is their article on Andruw...

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/in-d...e-credentials/

Andruw's problem is how much he dropped off once he turned 30. he didn't take his physical condition seriously, and it caught up to him.

[msstate7]

While I'm not sure Andruw belongs in Cooperstown, Griffey doesn't hold a candle to him on the defensive side of the ball, so he should be in the discussion.

No one holds a candle to Andruw defensively in CF. This graph was taken from the fangraphs article I linked above...



The difference between Andruw (best defensive cf) and #2 willie mays is huge.

[BrunswickDawg]

I prefer fangraphs. Here is their article on Andruw...

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/in-d...e-credentials/

Here is another good one from the NYT - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/s...l-of-fame.html

It rates Andruw and the best defensive outfielder of all time.

[Commercecomet24]

No one holds a candle to Andruw defensively in CF. This graph was taken from the fangraphs article I linked above...



The difference between Andruw (best defensive cf) and #2 willie mays is huge.

I agree Andruw was an elite defender. That's kind of an odd chart though and I wonder what stats they used. I have never heard or seen an stats that say Jesse Barfield was the greatest defensive rf and Brian Jordan was 2nd best. And Willie Wilson as the greatest defensive LF? Willie Wilson arm was so weak he couldn't throw me out at the plate. And 2B Bill Mazeroski nowhere to be found and by every defensive statistic and metric out there he is one of the greatest defensive players of all time regardless of position. Mazeroski: his 113 defensive career Win Shares is 1st all time in the history of MLB for a second baseman. I loved watching Andruw play and he was no doubt one of the elite defenders of all time but some of those others on the chart, I question what they were actually using to achieve these results.

[msstate7]

Andruw's problem is how much he dropped off once he turned 30. he didn't take his physical condition seriously, and it caught up to him.

Yeah, if he quit after his last season in Atlanta, people would view his career much different.