Mason decommits and commits to UPig

[sandwolf]

I think it was pretty even those 2 years. I was just pointing out I think the losses were on danny boy more than them having more talent. We should?ve won in 14 and 15. But I agree both teams had similar talent

We should've won in 2014, but they were just flat out better than us in 2015.

[msstate7]

I think it was pretty even those 2 years. I was just pointing out I think the losses were on danny boy more than them having more talent. We should?ve won in 14 and 15. But I agree both teams had similar talent

We definitely should have won in 2014.

[Commercecomet24]

We definitely should have won in 2014.

Yeah that game was a total cluster

[confucius say]

Anybody who thinks of roster has the talent our roster has does not understand football. Don?t take my word for it, look at nfl projections the next two years. Yet, according to recruiting rankings, they have signed more talent than us the last 5 years.

Also, tusk chart above proves my point. We have the same amount of sec wins and more overall wins despite much lower rankings. The truth is, they have not outrecruited us like so many people on here claim.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Anybody who thinks of roster has the talent our roster has does not understand football. Don?t take my word for it, look at nfl projections the next two years. Yet, according to recruiting rankings, they have signed more talent than us the last 5 years.

Also, tusk chart above proves my point. We have the same amount of sec wins and more overall wins despite much lower rankings. The truth is, they have not outrecruited us like so many people on here claim.

Dont say that. Results dont matter is what they are rated by a bunch of ''experts'' who never watch them play live or know anything about them other than a few buzzwords to say on signing day

[Todd4State]

Anybody who thinks of roster has the talent our roster has does not understand football. Don?t take my word for it, look at nfl projections the next two years. Yet, according to recruiting rankings, they have signed more talent than us the last 5 years.

Also, tusk chart above proves my point. We have the same amount of sec wins and more overall wins despite much lower rankings. The truth is, they have not outrecruited us like so many people on here claim.

It's not that we "don't have talent". It's that we aren't MAXIMIZING what we could bring in. Just because we aren't devoid of talent doesn't mean that we can't or should do better. That's the thing that people miss in the big picture because we've never consistently won 6-8 games a year. If we simply bring in a few offensive linemen that actually qualify we actually probably jump up past Ole Miss in recruiting. And without cheating.

But like I said it's not about Ole Miss outrecruiting us although yeah they've gotten a few recruits that could have helped us and put us over the top. (And all Dan really had to do was send AJ Brown's Dad to some booster who could help him instead of telling him essentially "we don't do that go **** yourself" and then keep things a secret in Starkville- and if we can't keep things on the downlow in Starkville I don't where we could) It's about LSU coming in and Saahdiq Charles who started some as a true freshman for LSU. It's about Alabama coming in and getting Scott Lashley. It's about totally misevaluting Jaylen Smith and letting him go to Louisville where he is now a guy that just declared for the NFL draft and would have been our number one this year.

Do we have talent? Yes. But we only have enough to reach the arbitrary ceiling that a lot of our fans decided was OK for us because Tech and 10 sucked and they thought to themselves that they would kill to just go to a bowl every year. When the reality is we've not only reached that ceiling- we've gotten to a place where we can realisitically break through that traditional ceiling and go beyond it and the floor is becoming the old 8 win ceiling for us and going to NY6 bowls is a very realistic goal for us. Those of us that see the big picture- and there are many of us- understand that and just want MSU to take that "final step" to become the MSU football program that we only dreamed of because we're pretty close and it's now realistic. MSU really just needs the rest of the fanbase to understand that as well so that we can all push forward together rather than have a lot of our fans shoot down those that call out things that are actually holding the program back.

[Commercecomet24]

We should've won in 2014, but they were just flat out better than us in 2015.

I?m just still pissed we lost on Daks senior night.

[sandwolf]

I?m just still pissed we lost on Daks senior night.

Yea, that loss was really bad. The Egg Bowl on Dak's senior night with the Sugar Bowl on the line, and they absolutely skull drug us....the game was over with 10+ minutes left in the second quarter.

[Commercecomet24]

Here?s something else to think about.. Based on tusks chart we have almost identical records in sec and overall as AM who on paper supposedly has way more talent.

[RougeDawg]

Here?s something else to think about.. Based on tusks chart we have almost identical records in sec and overall as AM who on paper supposedly has way more talent.

Here?s the thing. We have done an above average job developing 3-4 star signees into 4-5 star players in the field. I don?t think anyone is arguing that we currently do not have talent. The argument is given our track record of developing our signees up a star or two on the actual field, the more and more 4-5 star heavy classes we sign, imagine our possibilities.

Other teams have recruiting right with Bama the last decade but they do not have the same end results. Because Saban has shown that he takes top talent and coaches them up even more.

[Commercecomet24]

Yea, that loss was really bad. The Egg Bowl on Dak's senior night with the Sugar Bowl on the line, and they absolutely skull drug us....the game was over with 10+ minutes left in the second quarter.

Yeah that ones gonna bug me til I die. Hate Dak had to go out like that. Winning the bowl game helped some. At least his very last game was a win. But dang to lose that one.

And with all the rumors of danny boy looking at other jobs during Egg Bowl week makes it even harder to swallow.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Yeah that ones gonna bug me til I die. Hate Dak had to go out like that. Winning the bowl game helped some. At least his very last game was a win. But dang to lose that one.

Thats what happens when your head coach had one foot out the door and his OL coach was such an insufferable asshole that we had to move a TE to LT cause we couldnt sign a decent O lineman

[TUSK]

Here are my BASIC, low brow points:

Save the Hugh Freeze anomaly, recent recruiting by OM and MSU are fairly similar... OM has been fortunate to woo* some cats to campus that helped them steal a few, but also lose some they shouldn't... MSU, meanwhile, with less "high end talent" has been more consistent/conservative in not losing to many 'dogs, but not upsetting many of note, either...

Dig on this: Once you get below 5* & high 4* recruits and/or below the ~90 point range, the accuracy of such rankings is extremely volatile...

I'll rephrase: Accuracy of recruiting ranking is directly proportional to the rank...

I'm on about my 17th drink (SWIDT?), so, I dunno if I'm makin' any sense....

[msstate7]

This thread is going around the world... reminds me of losing Paul gainer thread

[BuckyIsAB****]

This thread is going around the world... reminds me of losing Paul gainer thread

See my post about our insufferable asshole OL coach

[Commercecomet24]

Here are my BASIC, low brow points:

Save the Hugh Freeze anomaly, recent recruiting by OM and MSU are fairly similar... OM has been fortunate to woo* some cats to campus that helped them steal a few, but also lose some they shouldn't... MSU, meanwhile, with less "high end talent" has been more consistent/conservative in not losing to many 'dogs, but not upsetting many of note, either...

Dig on this: Once you get below 5* & high 4* recruits and/or below the ~90 point range, the accuracy of such rankings is extremely volatile...

I'll rephrase: Accuracy of recruiting ranking is directly proportional to the rank...

I'm on about my 17th drink (SWIDT?), so, I dunno if I'm makin' any sense....

I concur and I?m not drunk lol

[TUSK]

I concur and I?m not drunk lol

so, what you are suggesting is that when I'm at ~0.235 BAC, we are in congruence?

[Commercecomet24]

This thread is going around the world... reminds me of losing Paul gainer thread

Dude you?re hitting on all cylinders tonight!

[Commercecomet24]

so, what you are suggesting is that when I'm at ~0.235 BAC, we are in congruence?

Maybe it expands your mind to my level lol

[TUSK]

Maybe it expands your mind to my level lol

Eh Kay,,,, ya had to go there, didn'tcha....?

I'm gonna mix another drink.... rat bastard.