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Serious football question about Joe Moorhead.......
I have mixed feelings don't know if this is a good hire or not time will tell but here is the question.
With all we have coming back Moorhead gets a loaded team what is your true expectations wins and losses next season? And if State goes say 8-5 or 9-4 will you feel that Moorhead has totally under achieved. My personal feelings are anything under 10-2 regular season is a bust 8-5 and we made a wrong hire. And we better not have a major drop off on defense. To me this season will define him as a head coach simply for the fact he was gift wrapped the best team we have had in years.
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I was going to say the floor is 9-3 before Dan left. Since we have a new staff I'll lower it to 8-4 since we don't know what to expect. But I think we're at least 8-4 and probably get to 9+ wins if everyone adjusts well.
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I think he will kick ass to start. For sure. I worry more about 3-4 years from now when we have 40 wrs on scholarship and no linemen.
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Originally Posted by
Maroonthirteen
I think he will kick ass to start. For sure. I worry more about 3-4 years from now when we have 40 wrs on scholarship and no linemen.
I hope you are kidding on that comment. He is not the HC at OM.
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2018 is a 10 win team at worst
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
2018 is a 10 win team at worst
So best team in MSU history or it is a bust?
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Originally Posted by
Tbonewannabe
So best team in MSU history or it is a bust?
WE went 10-2 in 2014. But yes- we will be favored in at least 10 and probably 11 games
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
2018 is a 10 win team at worst
Don't count your chickens before they hatch.
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I think based on what we have coming back and the schedule...
I'm going 8-4 as the floor and 12-0 as the ceiling with 9-3 or 10-2 as a reasonable expectation.
We have a veteran team with a senior QB, RB, C, and our MLB will be a RS Jr. or RS So. and two Sr safeties. A lot of experience plus we addressed our most glaring need in the offseason at WR. For me it's more about the players we have coming back than it is Moorhead. I also think our team is hungry to make amends for last season which while good certainly also had some disappointments as well.
Moorhead has some head coaching experience so that will help.
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
2018 is a 10 win team at worst
Regular season?
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Just cant go 8-4 with the kind of team we have in 2018. It will be the best one of my lifetime- and thats getting close to half a century.
Top 5 DL in the Country with depth
Top 10 OL in the Country with depth
2 QB's
Good RB's
Good LB's
Good Safeteys
More talent at WR
CB questions to answer.
Our 2018 team is Auburn 2017. Great in the trenches and good enough at the rest to compete for the SEC title
Only game we wont be favored in 2018 is at Bama.
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
Top 10 OL in the Country with depth.
Honest question - how did this happen? All I've read since I joined were that we missed on guys, how few OL we've taken in the last few classes, how this group has sucked overall, etc., etc. - yet now we magically have depth where we are Top 10 in the country?? This doesn't add up to me so looking for clarity.
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Originally Posted by
Gutter Cobreh
Honest question - how did this happen? All I've read since I joined were that we missed on guys, how few OL we've taken in the last few classes, how this group has sucked overall, etc., etc. - yet now we magically have depth where we are Top 10 in the country?? This doesn't add up to me so looking for clarity.
State in 2017:
Sacks allowed? 5th in the Country
Tackles for loss allowed? 14th in the Country
3rd Down Coversions? 8th in the Country (OL doesnt let you get behind the chains)
We return every offensive lineman but 1. We return every TE but 1. Plus add redshirts
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I think it's the best team we have had offense and defense with a good kicker in my history with state since 1968.
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I'm just curious to see how we grasp the new system on both offense and defense. That's why I'm hesitant to predict anything over 9 wins. That and seeing how Fitz recovers from his injury. We've got a little tougher schedule than we did this past year too.
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Originally Posted by
drummerdawg
We've got a little tougher schedule than we did this past year too.
We played 3 top 10 teams in 2017- two on the road. We won't do that in 2018.
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Originally Posted by
drummerdawg
I'm just curious to see how we grasp the new system on both offense and defense. That's why I'm hesitant to predict anything over 9 wins. That and seeing how Fitz recovers from his injury. We've got a little tougher schedule than we did this past year too.
I'm not too worried about it because of the experience our players have. It looks to me from my untrained eye that the major difference between Dan and Joe's offense is the pass route system- our WR's are mostly new and were going to have to learn our offense anyway. We also have a WR coach who sounds like a WR guru. I expect Nick to run it less which may be a good thing- it was pretty common for our QB to get banged up if not hurt under Dan. Fitz broke his leg and that is an injury that even non-athletes are normally able to recover from in a few months.
I think we have an advantage because Joe's offense is pretty unique and I don't think very many if any of the teams on our schedule have seen it or know quite how to defend it. I also think/hope we will be playing the best guys on both sides of the ball for the first time in awhile- which was a big reason why Dan failed to pull off very many upsets I think.
Our guys have switched schemes every year since 2014 so they're used to it by now.
I agree with Coach about the schedule. We had to play three NYD 6 teams last year including 2 on the road. K-State worries me becasue they are a good team and that could be a trap game for us on the road. Otherwise I like how the schedule sets up for the most part.
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
Just cant go 8-4 with the kind of team we have in 2018. It will be the best one of my lifetime- and thats getting close to half a century.
Top 5 DL in the Country with depth
Top 10 OL in the Country with depth
2 QB's
Good RB's
Good LB's
Good Safeteys
More talent at WR
CB questions to answer.
Our 2018 team is Auburn 2017. Great in the trenches and good enough at the rest to compete for the SEC title
Only game we wont be favored in 2018 is at Bama.
I agree. I also have watched enough of JoMo offense to know the dude attack?s defenses. He isn?t gonna tuck his balls in against anyone. We may not win every game but I bet we don?t cower on offense like we have at times in the past.
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thing that worries me is offense having a bad night early while everybody is still getting on the same page. somewhere I heard PSU struggled in the first few games adjusting to his offense. Our defense should be able to win us the first 4 games by themselves, hopefully the offense will be well-oiled by the Mullen game.
Moorhead seems to value a QB that can make quick reads & Fitz has plenty of experience making those reads so I think he'll adapt quickly. Seems like most of Dan's RPOs were at the LOS though, not sure how often he read the safety. Dan said Dak was a graduate level QB in his offense as a RS SR. This is Fitz' year to be a graduate level QB but it's kind of like he switched majors & is taking a semester off (I know he's not really taking the spring off).
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Originally Posted by
PSYCHO(thesis)DEFENSE
thing that worries me is offense having a bad night early while everybody is still getting on the same page. somewhere I heard PSU struggled in the first few games adjusting to his offense. Our defense should be able to win us the first 4 games by themselves, hopefully the offense will be well-oiled by the Mullen game.
Moorhead seems to value a QB that can make quick reads & Fitz has plenty of experience making those reads so I think he'll adapt quickly. Seems like most of Dan's RPOs were at the LOS though, not sure how often he read the safety. Dan said Dak was a graduate level QB in his offense as a RS SR. This is Fitz' year to be a graduate level QB but it's kind of like he switched majors & is taking a semester off (I know he's not really taking the spring off).
A) Fitz is a graduate and will be taking fewer classes. More study and film time for him
B) We will still be a Spread Option team
C) We have an experienced, physical OL. We dont have to be tricky early on and can rely on our OL while the QB/WR's grow into the offense
D) Having a veteran OL will hope JoMo adapt to SEC the speed on the DL's he only sees when playing Ohio State
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