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    Quote Originally Posted by TrapGame View Post
    The Network will be in full operation in 2018 trying to get as many 4* MS recruits they can buy!
    I may be naive- but Dan's lack of recruiting was a big factor in that too.

    We've mostly cleaned out the state on the defensive side and even have some players that Ole Miss offered money too- like Leo Lewis. It's the offensive side of the ball- the former country club side- where we were consistently getting beat.

    So, I'm optimisitic that our recruiting will still get a nice bump with Moorhead if he can indeed recruit that side of the ball and maintain the defensive dominance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSUDAWGFAN View Post
    Actually, Cross is correct. The NCAA has rules that it enforces at different levels all the time. USC got much worse for not nearly as much. OM should have gotten much worse than USC. If I was USC, I'd have my legal team preparing a case against he NCAA right now. It isn't fair that OM did much worse and got so much less.
    But his point was the blue bloods get away with murder but poor ole little missy got drug around by the NCAA for years unfairly. If anything the USC and OM comparison kills his argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    I may be naive- but Dan's lack of recruiting was a big factor in that too.

    We've mostly cleaned out the state on the defensive side and even have some players that Ole Miss offered money too- like Leo Lewis. It's the offensive side of the ball- the former country club side- where we were consistently getting beat.

    So, I'm optimisitic that our recruiting will still get a nice bump with Moorhead if he can indeed recruit that side of the ball and maintain the defensive dominance.
    I hope you're right Todd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen View Post
    But his point was the blue bloods get away with murder but poor ole little missy got drug around by the NCAA for years unfairly. If anything the USC and OM comparison kills his argument.
    Yeah, I didn't hear it, but I was thinking it was selective enforcement by the NCAA. If his argument was blue bloods getting away, you are correct. Either way, I'd be taking the NCAA to court of I was USC.

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    Who cares? They cheated SMU style and got away with a slap on the wrist. Why should they be humble? Why should they stop?

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    Here?s what?s gonna hurt this worse than NCAA sanctions. They recorded recruits and have lawsuits against Mississippi teenagers. They?ve pissed of a lot of hs coaches and recruits in state are wary of them. It?s gonna take awhile for that to go away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commercecomet24 View Post
    Here?s what?s gonna hurt this worse than NCAA sanctions. They recorded recruits and have lawsuits against Mississippi teenagers. They?ve pissed of a lot of hs coaches and recruits in state are wary of them. It?s gonna take awhile for that to go away.
    and yet 2 4 star recruits this week have shown they don’t care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    and yet 2 4 star recruits this week have shown they don?t care.
    Yes ones from California and the other ones going mlb. Did you not read where I said instate recruits and coaches?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen View Post
    Also....21 violations!!! 21!!!! Pardon us if we don?t give you the benefit of the doubt. You have the same coaches and same AD. Dumbass.

    I dislike that dude.
    I like your "chutzpah, Maroon13th, but their 21 violations of cheating led to exactly .62 scholarships lost per violation of which TCUN had already "penalized" themselves for 3 or 4 of them leaving a handful this year and next year. Cry me a 17'n river that they're gonna miss a 2nd bowl season of revenue ($8Mx2=$16M) except the SEC will assure them of recouping some of that in a few years when they come off probation.

    Big whoop that they lose out on their annual trip to Birmingham, Nashville or Charlotte -- .62 scholarships per violation got them to New Orleans and they'll be back at it next year because I fully expect the NCAA pussies to cave in on the appeal and we'll see TCUN bowling next year. I was one of the hardline 35+ lost scholarship, 3-year bowl ban guys and am highly disappointed. It's very demoralizing to see that much rampant cheating and so little punishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrapGame View Post
    I hope you're right Todd.
    I hope so- there is some basis for it. If you look at the 4-5 star recruits that we have landed from the state of Mississippi it's very noticeable to me that we've done better at certain position groups- RB, DL, LB, CB, and S than others...WR, TE (not a lot of 4 star TE's from Mississippi), and OL. I didn't list QB, K, or P because our population doesn't seem to lend itself to producing a ton of those, although if you look at kicker- Bell and Logan Cooke- are some of the best the state has produced recently.

    We all know who was coaching the positions that we didn't recruit as well recently and all of them are now gone.

    Also- I need to mention that I do not and never do expect us to dominate the 50 mile radius around Oxford regardless of position. Yes, we'll pull a few guys from places like South Panola and even occasionally Lafayette County but I don't expect us to consistently pull players from there. At the same time I expect us to land the majority of the players in the 50 mile radius around Starkville.

    In light of Jerrion Ealy- that school is very pro-Ole Miss and probably always will be. The players we get from Prep are going to be the ones that grew up State fans like Paul Lacoste which I would estimate would be 25-30% of their school population. Like South Panola we have had a few prominent players/people from there like Jake Mangum and Benedict Stricklin. But like South Panola we're typically not going to get the majority especially if they don't have a MSU connection.

    Moorhead will get a pass for the moment until he builds his staff completely...but I still expect us to dominate the 2019 class overall. We should have a good season and I think once recruits see that and what he is about plus his the relationships his staff forms we should be good to go. Hud will help with that a lot as well as the recruiting machine of Peterson, Austin, etc. All I want and expect him to do right now is hold on to who we have and he has done that so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMDawg View Post
    Who cares? They cheated SMU style and got away with a slap on the wrist. Why should they be humble? Why should they stop?
    They shouldn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commercecomet24 View Post
    Yes ones from California and the other ones going mlb. Did you not read where I said instate recruits and coaches?
    It doesn't sound like the guy from California has a lot of options either. It's absolutely amazing to me that they haven't self destructed more than they have with the players they recruit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    and yet 2 4 star recruits this week have shown they don?t care.
    One is from CA and is a serious, serious character problem who has been dropped by two other schools. The other is a juco, if at all.

    They are doing what they do best....recruiting starzzz and trying to win the press conference. We are doing what we do best....freak out and cry about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubb Rubb View Post
    One is from CA and is a serious, serious character problem who has been dropped by two other schools. The other is a juco, if at all.

    They are doing what they do best....recruiting starzzz and trying to win the press conference. We are doing what we do best....freak out and cry about it.
    +100

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg View Post
    Not with that QB. It's not hard to get someone if you give them their only real offer. The kid's Dad tweeted today. It basically stated that Mullen dropped him. No surprise there, he is a drop back guy but even if he was Cam Mark two, I don't think Mullen takes this one. He is trouble. Only a place like Ole Miss would even consider one like that. He epitomizes everything Ole Mss believes in.
    If Mullen actually wanted the kid, he must not be a big off the field risk. That's one thing I can promise about Mullen when it comes to QB's.

    If Mullen did drop him, that could very well be the reason.

    When he took the State job,his 1st visit was to Russell. He told him, basically, "you may be commited to State, but right now I don't know you. You have to recruit me."
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    Not only did Mississippi State embarrass LSU on this night. Davis Wade Stadium wrecked Tiger Stadium in music choice, atmosphere and, most of all, volume.

    When I'm 80 and deaf, it's not going to be all those Springsteen concerts or Queen at Municipal Auditorium in New Orleans on Halloween Night in 1978, it will be this game...............Glen Guilbeau--Sherveport Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by shannondawg View Post
    The university has also retained the Mississippi-based law firm of Butler Snow to join the existing legal team of Lightfoot, Franklin & White and Bond, Schoeneck & King for the appeal and other related legal services. Don Barrett of the Barrett Law Group will also join the university?s legal team.

    They all going to fit in the meeting room?
    Barrett, what's he gonna help with, suing the NCAA for smoking? Hey Don, you ain't getting a Holmes Co jury for this.
    Not only did Mississippi State embarrass LSU on this night. Davis Wade Stadium wrecked Tiger Stadium in music choice, atmosphere and, most of all, volume.

    When I'm 80 and deaf, it's not going to be all those Springsteen concerts or Queen at Municipal Auditorium in New Orleans on Halloween Night in 1978, it will be this game...............Glen Guilbeau--Sherveport Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    and yet 2 4 star recruits this week have shown they don’t care.
    yep
    Not only did Mississippi State embarrass LSU on this night. Davis Wade Stadium wrecked Tiger Stadium in music choice, atmosphere and, most of all, volume.

    When I'm 80 and deaf, it's not going to be all those Springsteen concerts or Queen at Municipal Auditorium in New Orleans on Halloween Night in 1978, it will be this game...............Glen Guilbeau--Sherveport Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiderman View Post
    If Mullen actually wanted the kid, he must not be a big off the field risk. That's one thing I can promise about Mullen when it comes to QB's.

    If Mullen did drop him, that could very well be the reason.

    When he took the State job,his 1st visit was to Russell. He told him, basically, "you may be commited to State, but right now I don't know you. You have to recruit me."
    That's the million dollar question- did Dan drop him?

    I can't imagine any QB not named Manning choosing Ole Miss over Dan- even though it's cool to hate on Dan. Let's see- a guy that has put multiple guys in the league and probably has produced more current starting NFL QB's than anyone else in the game right now or a guy running a high school offense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen View Post
    So yesterday you compared OMs 5 year investigation to Alabama level 2 violation last year in which they fired the coach and didn?t sign the kids. (The Alabama coach?s 2 year show cause appeal was denied ). So You going off about how OM was unfairly investigated for years.

    Then today You make a comment about State fans are on twitter implying your school is cheating to sign the QB and now a verbal from a 4star RB. How dare us State fans?????

    Look ass clown, Bama self reported. Fired the coach. Didn?t sign the kids. Y?all did everything the exact opposite. AND....oh! Y?all had every school south of Canada turning you in. Did Bama?

    Also....21 violations!!! 21!!!! Pardon us if we don?t give you the benefit of the doubt. You have the same coaches and same AD. Dumbass.

    I dislike that dude.
    I don?t know why anyone listens to Cross to Cross with Richard Head and Matt Wyatt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubb Rubb View Post
    One is from CA and is a serious, serious character problem who has been dropped by two other schools. The other is a juco, if at all.

    They are doing what they do best....recruiting starzzz and trying to win the press conference. We are doing what we do best....freak out and cry about it.
    You nailed it! Screw those s***birds!

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