Croom

[Todd4State]

If I remember correctly McCorvey had cancer and had to miss a few game in 2008. I assume that's what he is talking about.

My take on Sylvester Croom:

Outstanding running backs coach.

Bad head coach.

Edit to say- I don't hate the guy. He brought some good publicity to our program when we needed it because the media HATED Jackie and I think it caused our program to get run down some- see the 1999 season. 2007 honestly was fun as hell. I don't care if we were lucky or not- we won the games and that's all that matters at the end of the day.

At the same time I don't think he left us in super great shape when he left. He basically got us through probation and allowed us to buy time while our athletic department shifted with some leadership changes- and he won a few nice games here in there in the meantime. He was a good placeholder I suppose.

[Dawg61]

I am not a Croom fan AT ALL and here's why. He exploited our insecurity as a fanbase to his advantage to justify being a lazy recruiter, to give himself more job security and for it to be ok to have a terrible offense. He made excuses and constantly touted having the decks tilted against him and MSU. We didn't have that with Jackie. We had swagger and weren't afraid to play anybody with Sherrill. We beat teams up with Jackie and rocked the Dawg Pound Rock proudly. Croom brought out the Po Ol Miss State attitude in our fans. It still festers in some to this day. **** Croom he sucks.

[MSUDAWGFAN]

I am not a Croom fan AT ALL and here's why. He exploited our insecurity as a fanbase to his advantage to justify being a lazy recruiter, to give himself more job security and for it to be ok to have a terrible offense. He made excuses and constantly touted having the decks tilted against him and MSU. We didn't have that with Jackie. We had swagger and weren't afraid to play anybody with Sherrill. We beat teams up with Jackie and rocked the Dawg Pound Rock proudly. Croom brought out the Po Ol Miss State attitude in our fans. It still festers in some to this day. **** Croom he sucks.

That's one thing I credit Don for. He wasn't about letting someone think we couldn't compete. In his opening press conference he was talking about winning championships here and reporters laughed at him. At the end of the 2014 season after a loss in the Egg Bowl, he addressed that. He said something to the effect of "In my opening press conference I made a claim that we are going to compete for championships here and everybody laughed. Well, nobody is laughing now." Don changed the way our fanbase thought. He deserves credit for that.

[Tbonewannabe]

If I remember correctly McCorvey had cancer and had to miss a few game in 2008. I assume that's what he is talking about.

My take on Sylvester Croom:

Outstanding running backs coach.

Bad head coach.

Edit to say- I don't hate the guy. He brought some good publicity to our program when we needed it because the media HATED Jackie and I think it caused our program to get run down some- see the 1999 season. 2007 honestly was fun as hell. I don't care if we were lucky or not- we won the games and that's all that matters at the end of the day.

At the same time I don't think he left us in super great shape when he left. He basically got us through probation and allowed us to buy time while our athletic department shifted with some leadership changes- and he won a few nice games here in there in the meantime. He was a good placeholder I suppose.

Croom left Mullen with the talent to win 9 games in 2010 with guys on campus or committed at the time. Up until this year's Oline, Croom left Hev with a better line than Hev recruited in the entire 9 years Dan was here. Croom just didn't know how to run a college offense. He only knew how to run a West Coast Offense that is too complicated for guys to grasp in the few hours per week that they can work on it. Croom wasn't truly cut out to be a head coach but he didn't do a horrible job with the situation he took over.

With that said, Mullen left us in a lot better place than when he got here. He strengthened the foundation of blue collar hard work that Croom started. Next year should be the best team with the exception of 2014 in the last 20 years. Coach JoeMo inherits a great situation in that he could possibly win 10 games his first year.

[TrapGame]

Croom left Mullen with the talent to win 9 games in 2010 with guys on campus or committed at the time. Up until this year's Oline, Croom left Hev with a better line than Hev recruited in the entire 9 years Dan was here. Croom just didn't know how to run a college offense. He only knew how to run a West Coast Offense that is too complicated for guys to grasp in the few hours per week that they can work on it. Croom wasn't truly cut out to be a head coach but he didn't do a horrible job with the situation he took over.

With that said, Mullen left us in a lot better place than when he got here. He strengthened the foundation of blue collar hard work that Croom started. Next year should be the best team with the exception of 2014 in the last 20 years. Coach JoeMo inherits a great situation in that he could possibly win 10 games his first year.

I'm calling it now.

Coach Joe beats Saban in Tuscaloosa next season. Year one he does something Mullen could never do in nine.

[Tbonewannabe]

I'm calling it now.

Coach Joe beats Saban in Tuscaloosa next season. Year one he does something Mullen could never do in nine.

From your keyboard to God's email.

[NCDawg]

I'll admit Croom had a lot of faults-his primary fault was being too loyal to his friend, who was the OC and not getting the job done. Despite all his faults, however, he was able to defeat Alabama and Auburn in the same year which is something our esteemed "Dan" could not do.

[BrunswickDawg]

Croom was the epitome of Larry Templeton and his mindset about MSU athletics. The SEC and NCAA are pressuring us to break a barrier with our hire. What is our cheapest, easiest solution? How about a hot assistant coach like Charlie Strong. No? I'll call my good friend Mal Moore for advice. He'll tell me what I should do....

[fader2103]

I will always say. Croom wasn?t a great head coach but he was what the program needed at the time to clean it up. I love him as a person though and what he stood for but in football if just came down to wins vs losses.

[Tbonewannabe]

I will always say. Croom wasn?t a great head coach but he was what the program needed at the time to clean it up. I love him as a person though and what he stood for but in football if just came down to Offense vs losses.

fify. If Croom had an offense that was even in the high 60s or 70s then we might have went to multiple bowls. I don't think he would have won enough to get us to more than the Liberty or Music City at the time but we would have probably been happy with it. It worked out in the end because he reset the program to where Mullen could build something.

[Jarius]

I will always say. Croom wasn?t a great head coach but he was what the program needed at the time to clean it up. I love him as a person though and what he stood for but in football if just came down to wins vs losses.

That?s just not true. He was in no way what our program needed. I could go in there and clean the program up. Kicking off half of your team?s players is not hard. Anyone can do that. Getting the players that you decided to kick off the team to buy in instead of kicking them off and self imposing the death penalty would have been what we needed. Most any other competent coach would have done that. Croom was and is an idiot.

[Tbonewannabe]

That?s just not true. He was in no way what our program needed. I could go in there and clean the program up. Kicking off half of your team?s players is not hard. Anyone can do that. Getting the players that you decided to kick off the team to buy in instead of kicking them off and self imposing the death penalty would have been what we needed. Most any other competent coach would have done that. Croom was and is an idiot.

The level of dysfunction that Croom inherited was about as bad as you could imagine.

[Jarius]

The level of dysfunction that Croom inherited was about as bad as you could imagine.

If your solution to the dysfunction is to start your first season with 53 scholarship players on the roster, you are not the one that needs to be hired for the job. Self imposing a 32 man scholarship limitation is never the answer.

[msbulldog]

If your solution to the dysfunction is to start your first season with 53 scholarship players on the roster, you are not the one that needs to be hired for the job. Self imposing a 32 man scholarship limitation is never the answer.

Had a lot of thugs, he had to get rid of! I will be forever thankful to Coach Croom for making those boy's go to Church and I am sure some of those guys are thankful for that too.

[was21]

The level of dysfunction that Croom inherited was about as bad as you could imagine.

Exactly....which is why I don't understand why Sherrill is still held up as some kind of savior and icon by some..plus he got us on probation. If his personal off field problems were a hindrance to his performing his job, he should have resigned or if not, should have been fired.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Listen, I knew Henig too, and you are right he was a nice enough guy, but to say he would have won 10 games a year anywhere is absolutely crazy. I just looked back at his stats. His best year was in 06' with a 43.8% completion percentage, threw for 1201 yards, and had 7 TDs to 9 interceptions. He never threw more TDs than picks in a season. Lastly, he threw 6 interceptions the first game of the 07' season.

This thread is making people's memories about the Croom Era pretty foggy.

[Tbonewannabe]

Listen, I knew Henig too, and you are right he was a nice enough guy, but to say he would have won 10 games a year anywhere is absolutely crazy. I just looked back at his stats. His best year was in 06' with a 43.8% completion percentage, threw for 1201 yards, and had 7 TDs to 9 interceptions. He never threw more TDs than picks in a season. Lastly, he threw 6 interceptions the first game of the 07' season.

This thread is making people's memories about the Croom Era pretty foggy.

Henig was a tough SOB and had a really strong arm. Both of those things are part of what a SEC QB needs, he just didn't have everything else. Similar to Brandon Holloway, I do not blame the player for the position the coach put them in. Who knows what Henig could have done with adequate coaching but he still wasn't big and/or fast enough to start for a SEC school.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

I don't either, and once again I am not trying to bash Henig. I am just saying no team would have won 10 games with him playing QB.

[Dawg61]

I don't either, and once again I am not trying to bash Henig. I am just saying no team would have won 10 games with him playing QB.

You underestimate Saban. He could take that dancing Zebra you got as your Sig and win ten games.

[TUSK]

You underestimate Saban. He could take that dancing Zebra you got as your Sig and win ten games.

But could JoMo win at Bama this year versus Saban, with Henig at QB, surrounded by dancing Zebras?

I'd lay the 7.5 if I had to wager...