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Originally Posted by
dawgs
1) literally google “Portugal internet” and there’s hundreds of links citing the same information, the links being to a variety of sites with left, right, and balanced viewpoints. There’s also a ****ing difference between opinion and facts, these are literally facts and it doesn’t matter whether brietbart or Rachel Maddow links them, they are facts and facts don’t have a bias. LA times just happened to be the first ****ing link on google.
2) what does portugal’s Socialist leanings (not that the socialists are even running the country) have to do with the fact that they ended net neutrality and let the ISPs “regulate” themselves and it resulted in nickel and dime’ing customers for steaming services and access to certain websites? Nothing, so stop trying to turn this into some “see socialist/democratic/leftist government is bad” example.
The sky is not falling snowflake.
2015 internet standards were just as good as 2017.
Get over it.
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Originally Posted by
TrapGame
The sky is not falling snowflake.
2015 internet standards were just as good as 2017.
Get over it.
Wow, snowflake, quite the original thinker over here.
The reason Obama implemented net neutrality in 2015 was because he (and anyone on the internet) could see this coming from a mile away. He acted to stop it before it could be implemented. But hey, if Obama did it, then trump is hell bent on reversing it, even if it makes no sense to reverse it.
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Originally Posted by
dawgs
Wow, snowflake, quite the original thinker over here.
The reason Obama implemented net neutrality in 2015 was because he (and anyone on the internet) could see this coming from a mile away. He acted to stop it before it could be implemented. But hey, if Obama did it, then trump is hell bent on reversing it, even if it makes no sense to reverse it.
It will be ok. Trump won't block Pornhub.
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TrapGame, you haven?t made any kind of argument as to why this is okay. All you?ve done is show that you?re a rabid partisan who can?t identify something bad happening even though even 70%+ of your party and 83% of society recognizes it as such. Great job!
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Originally Posted by
BulldogDX55
TrapGame, you haven?t made any kind of argument as to why this is okay. All you?ve done is show that you?re a rabid partisan who can?t identify something bad happening even though even 70%+ of your party and 83% of society recognizes it as such. Great job!
Dude, I'll be honest. I really don't give a shit. My life revolves around other things. Net Neutrality ain't one. It can stay or go. I really don't care.
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Originally Posted by
TrapGame
Dude, I'll be honest. I really don't give a shit. My life revolves around other things. Net Neutrality ain't one. It can stay or go. I really don't care.
This is an interesting statement in the thread. Why even read the thread and respond if you don't care? For anyone that thinks corporations will not take advantage of the situation, I have some oceanside property in Tishomingo MS for sale really cheap. Corporations didn't spend 100s of Millions of dollars buying politicians just because they wanted to help the average person. It was an investment in a future revenue stream.
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Well back to basics and to keep it from getting locked. Net Neutrality was a good thing. One of the few purely good things this govt has ever done. This should never have been a political issue to begin with, but a bunch of politicians were bought and paid for. FCC was politicized to a critical point. Now we have the clearest failure of representation I can think of.
Thanks MS US Congress members. Thank you very much. Integrity sold for 10 pieces of silver, some less.
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Originally Posted by
TrapGame
Dude, I'll be honest. I really don't give a shit. My life revolves around other things. Net Neutrality ain't one. It can stay or go. I really don't care.
I promise you that your day to day life revolves around the internet. A lot. More than you even realize.
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Originally Posted by
TrapGame
Dude, I'll be honest. I really don't give a shit. My life revolves around other things. Net Neutrality ain't one. It can stay or go. I really don't care.
Listening to you on this topic is like hearing a drowning man say they don't care anything about oxygen. This has everything to do with you, and if you're not pissed about it, you are not paying attention.
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Originally Posted by
TrapGame
I'm not getting into my beliefs about the veracity of the LA Times b/c that really belongs on the political page. And this whole thread really does too.
Disagree. This directly affects websites like this one and belongs on the main board. If Comcast, AT&T tell Coach34 that he'll have to pay them extra money in order for this site to be available, or tell you that you'll have to pay to see it, at least this thread will have told everyone why.
Ditto for any other websites you like or own.
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Well I like the conversation fellas. Glad to know on this one issue, I think almost everyone can agree.
Now lets get this tax cut passed and hope it benefits people like us more than it benefits people with a few billion in the bank.
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Originally Posted by
dawgs
I promise you that your day to day life revolves around the internet. A lot. More than you even realize.
And that's the problem with the world. Our lives revolve around something like the internet.
I like hanging out with you guys and talking MSU sports but this is why I don't talk politics or religion.
I'm sure the pro-NN people have a valid concern. However, this repeal does not make the internet a lawless wasteland.
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Originally Posted by
sleepy dawg
Listening to you on this topic is like hearing a drowning man say they don't care anything about oxygen. This has everything to do with you, and if you're not pissed about it, you are not paying attention.
Ok, Sleepy tell me what I should be pissed about. I'm all ears and willing to listen. Shoot.
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Originally Posted by
TrapGame
And that's the problem with the world. Our lives revolve around something like the internet.
I like hanging out with you guys and talking MSU sports but this is why I don't talk politics or religion.
I'm sure the pro-NN people have a valid concern. However, this repeal does not make the internet a lawless wasteland.
Do you use google maps when traveling? Do you stream Netflix? Amazon prime? Are you a cord cutter and use roku or psvue? Stream MSU games on espn now? Do you manage your bank account online? Pay bills online? Do you still read an actual newspaper and watch the nightly local news, or do you browse the weather and daily news on your news website of choice? If you are looking for a new job, do you still go through the classifieds? Or are you using indeed and LinkedIn and glassdoor to find jobs? Do you hand delivery your application or email/post it online to apply?
This goes FAR beyond access to reading people bitch about MSU sports.
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Originally Posted by
Lord McBuckethead
Well I like the conversation fellas. Glad to know on this one issue, I think almost everyone can agree.
Now lets get this tax cut passed and hope it benefits people like us more than it benefits people with a few billion in the bank.
Hate to break it to you, but corporate and rich tax breaks have never resulted in a trickle down to folks like us. There’s plenty of economic research from post-WW2 until now that prove as much. I don’t like paying taxes either, but it’s undeniable which tax breaks actually do benefit the average person.
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Originally Posted by
dparker
Elections have consequences
So does nominating unelectable people.
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Originally Posted by
sonofozarka
My guess is that they want to be able to allow the ISP's to grow, profit, and charge more to the consumer and to the content providers.
This may be a way for companies like Comcast to offset the huge losses they're seeing in cable subscriptions dropping by allowing them to charge content producers
Also guess this may end up in court, because if they were to have passed it, ISP's may have a case saying the law is hindering their ability to get market value for their service.
We may consider the internet a public service, but it's run by businesses, not the gov't. The businesses want to be able to maximize profit, and the Comcast's of the world are in the pocket of the Republicans
Run like a business like the power company? Run like a business like the phone company?
Imagine if GE, who makes the power, made electric power that only worked with the appliances.
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Originally Posted by
SheltonChoked
Run like a business like the power company? Run like a business like the phone company?
Imagine if GE, who makes the power, made electric power that only worked with the appliances.
Yeah, this right here is one of the major concerns. All major ISPs are also content providers. What is to stop them now from only allowing access to their content, or charging an exorbitant rate to use someone else?s? That kills competition.
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Originally Posted by
Ezsoil
It never amazes me the number of people who fail to realize that government regulation is nothing more than selecting winners and losers and limiting access to the free market by force. Licensing is nothing more than a barrier to market entry. Net Neutrality was a nifty name for government and not the marketplace to determine who can provide your servivce. I'd much rather have a free market where anyone can enter the market and provide any service that I'm willing to pay for .. than to have a limited number of providers who only offer a set of service standards as determined by government....I'm smart enough to determine what is good for me.
Amen
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Originally Posted by
Lord McBuckethead
Well I like the conversation fellas. Glad to know on this one issue, I think almost everyone can agree.
Now lets get this tax cut passed and hope it benefits people like us more than it benefits people with a few billion in the bank.
Standard deduction doubles. That should help a lot of ppl.
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