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    Quote Originally Posted by sandwolf View Post
    Agreed. Also, the guy that hired him is nicknamed the Intense Bastard, so I don't think that I would worry about him being too laid back.
    And where's Merlin right now? At Flur-a-da with Loafers. A guy he pushed around for years until Keenum said enough. Merlin couldn't push The IB around like a Jackson Prep cheerleader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    No. No. No.

    The problem was not that we were a coaching graveyard. We have had terrible leadership in the ADs office who constantly made decisions based on a lack of funds and an aversion to risk. Murray Warmath and Darryl Royal saw that quickly and bolted. Wade Walker was a bad coach who moved from HC to AD, then became a very successful AD at Oklahoma. Paul Davis was hired with almost no experience, bombed, and went on to a lengthy 24 year career as an assistant - primarily at Auburn. Charlie Shira was a lazy hire (coach who had worked here under Royal) who we could pay for double duty as AD, and sell all of our home games to other schools. He bombed, and then stayed on as AD. Bob Tyler was a very good hire and coach who got destroyed by the NCAA. Emory Bellard was an excellent hire and coach, who probably could have gone on to coach other places - but would have had to overhaul his whole approach to offense (by '85 the wishbone was almost dead) at age 58. Rockey Felker was a good assistant coach - but a lazy hire as a HC. After his tenure here, he still had a successful career as an OC (Tulsa, Arkansas) and then came back home. Jackie knew it was probably his last job, or next to last job when he was hired here. Croom was Croom, but is still coaching.

    So - in summary - we had 2 coaches who left and went on to HOF careers (Warmath & Royal), 2 who became our AD one of whom went on to a major power, 1 tanked by the NCAA, 2 who ended their careers here probably due to age and the game having passed them by (Bellard & Jackie), and 3 who continued on as assistant coaches for long careers (Davis, Felker, Croom).

    Where is this coaching graveyard you speak of?? Almost all of our coaches continued in successful careers after they left MSU. The problem always was - until Don - the lack of funding and resources to compete and a lack leadership and real support from the university to make sure we had the facilities to compete.
    We haven?t had a coach leave here and have a successful head coaching career since the 50s Brunswick. That is FACT. The perception of MSU has been since the 50s that you can?t win at MSU and you will never even be able to go higher from there. JWS changed that a little bit. Mullen blew it up, for now. If he continues he to win then it is blown up. You will never get a coach that we will want to stay a long time if he won?t come to begin with. We all love MSU and none of us would want to leave here ever if we were a winning coach, but that?s not the case with most non-alumni coaches. Heck it might not be WITH an alumni, as loafers proved. I wanted Mullen to stay, but if you can?t see how him leaving in his own for what is perceived nationally as a much better job helps us in future coaching searches then you are just blinded by hate. Heck the evidence was there to see on the search to replace Mullen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg View Post
    They also won?t be saying look at Dan Mullen. We tried to warn him but he went anyway. Look at him now, a position coach at Thrasher Jr High. Look at the applicant pool we were talking to this time, it?s the best one we have ever had. What was evidently our final two were looked upon as the two hottest names among top assistants in the country. The one we DIDN?T go with just got hired by Tennessee. Come on guys. I know it sucks to loose a coach but the way we lost him is THE way you want to lose one if you lose him. For the first time since Royal and Warmuth we didn?t fire him and the program is in the best shape it?s been in since the 1940s.
    That's the whole point Liver. I would say basically we all wanted to keep him. Wanted him to be one of us. He's the one shopping himself around every year. Personally I got tired of it and cared not weather he stayed or went and told my son so, going home from the egg bowl. I question if his heart was ever at MSU.

    One thing he will never know is, was he a good enough coach to win a championship at Mississippi State University. And that is the reason I hope Joe does so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg View Post
    We haven?t had a coach leave here and have a successful head coaching career since the 50s Brunswick. That is FACT. The perception of MSU has been since the 50s that you can?t win at MSU and you will never even be able to go higher from there. JWS changed that a little bit. Mullen blew it up, for now. If he continues he to win then it is blown up. You will never get a coach that we will want to stay a long time if he won?t come to begin with. We all love MSU and none of us would want to leave here ever if we were a winning coach, but that?s not the case with most non-alumni coaches. Heck it might not be WITH an alumni, as loafers proved. I wanted Mullen to stay, but if you can?t see how him leaving in his own for what is perceived nationally as a much better job helps us in future coaching searches then you are just blinded by hate. Heck the evidence was there to see on the search to replace Mullen.
    When you make statements like ?coaching graveyard?, you imply that we took Head Coaches, ruined their careers, and you never heard from them again. The fact is that we hired a number of unqualified coaches on the cheap and gave them no money to build a program with and crappy facilities. They were doomed from the start. And - like Mullen - they almost all moved on and continued their careers.

    The difference that everyone will recognize is that Mullen - a good coach and a great hire - was given resources and support no one else has had at this school. Bob Tyler, Emory Bellard, and Jackie all showed you can win here. But, they all showed without the resources it was not sustainable. Mullen just reinforces that. You can win here with a committed admin and Top 30 budget.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimberBeast View Post
    So dumb it's amazing. Croom was Templeton's fault not Jackie's.
    Yeah, some things have been forgotten or overlooked in this thread.

    What I heard,
    Jimbo Fischer wanted the State job after Jackie. LT turned down Jimbo for Croom. Hiring Croom was to lessen the NCAA penalties.

    Jackie interviewed for a few NFL HC jobs in 92 and after 94. He didn?t get either job obviously. There was a lot of smoke around Jackie to Bama after the 2000 season. My Bama friends say he interviewed but didn?t get it. Regardless of how the Bama job got filled, I always thought Jackie lost his drive when he didn?t get that job. Also Peggy got sick I believe.

    So I don?t hold a grudge against Don for looking for jobs. 9 years is about all you will get out of a coach now a days anyway because of the pressure from fans placed on administrators.

    I imagine if CJM keeps us going as Don did, we will Look back in 5 years and appreciate Don more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandwolf View Post
    Agreed. Also, the guy that hired him is nicknamed the Intense Bastard, so I don't think that I would worry about him being too laid back.
    Right on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    When you make statements like ?coaching graveyard?, you imply that we took Head Coaches, ruined their careers, and you never heard from them again. The fact is that we hired a number of unqualified coaches on the cheap and gave them no money to build a program with and crappy facilities. They were doomed from the start. And - like Mullen - they almost all moved on and continued their careers.

    The difference that everyone will recognize is that Mullen - a good coach and a great hire - was given resources and support no one else has had at this school. Bob Tyler, Emory Bellard, and Jackie all showed you can win here. But, they all showed without the resources it was not sustainable. Mullen just reinforces that. You can win here with a committed admin and Top 30 budget.
    This more than anything is why our history wasn't great prior to Jackie. The only reason we were able to get Jackie was the Southwest cloud hanging over him. We hired Croom on the basis of 1) he interviewed at Bama even though it was just a cursory interview that would have never resulted in getting the job and 2) he was the first African American Head Coach in the SEC so the NCAA supposedly gave us a lighter sentence. We now know the NCAA hit us almost as hard as UM with their Network, prostitutes, burner phones, giving out red backpacks full of cash, moving families to Oxford with non existent jobs, and everything else they were doing. There was also a lot more qualified black coaches we could have hired but Templeton was lazy.

    Mullen was a top 15 paid coach in the country and we now have facilities on par with any top 25 team. There are a few upgrades we can make, mainly finishing bowling in the stadium and upgrading the locker room but most of the facilities for the football team are pretty damn good. This isn't the same university and program that had to hire Jackie Sherrill or Croom. You can look at the past but concentrate on the present and future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen View Post
    Yeah, some things have been forgotten or overlooked in this thread.

    What I heard,
    Jimbo Fischer wanted the State job after Jackie. LT turned down Jimbo for Croom. Hiring Croom was to lessen the NCAA penalties.

    Jackie interviewed for a few NFL HC jobs in 92 and after 94. He didn?t get either job obviously. There was a lot of smoke around Jackie to Bama after the 2000 season. My Bama friends say he interviewed but didn?t get it. Regardless of how the Bama job got filled, I always thought Jackie lost his drive when he didn?t get that job. Also Peggy got sick I believe.

    So I don?t hold a grudge against Don for looking for jobs. 9 years is about all you will get out of a coach now a days anyway because of the pressure from fans placed on administrators.

    I imagine if CJM keeps us going as Don did, we will Look back in 5 years and appreciate Don more.
    This is very true. If Coach JoeMo keeps us winning an average of 8 games or even wins 10 or more then Lateral gets appreciated more than he is now. I actually think that CJM might be a better fit for us long term because Don didn't have what it takes to win games that he was outmatched in players. He wasn't a risk taker in big games and that caused us to not win many games if we were at least equal in talent. CJM has proven when he was at Fordham that he can pull the upset so he might can use the great foundation left by Mullen and build something bigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen View Post
    Yeah, some things have been forgotten or overlooked in this thread.

    What I heard,
    Jimbo Fischer wanted the State job after Jackie. LT turned down Jimbo for Croom. Hiring Croom was to lessen the NCAA penalties.

    Jackie interviewed for a few NFL HC jobs in 92 and after 94. He didn?t get either job obviously. There was a lot of smoke around Jackie to Bama after the 2000 season. My Bama friends say he interviewed but didn?t get it. Regardless of how the Bama job got filled, I always thought Jackie lost his drive when he didn?t get that job. Also Peggy got sick I believe.

    So I don?t hold a grudge against Don for looking for jobs. 9 years is about all you will get out of a coach now a days anyway because of the pressure from fans placed on administrators.

    I imagine if CJM keeps us going as Don did, we will Look back in 5 years and appreciate Don more.
    If we keep JM for five years we'll be doing good. I think this cat will have us in the top 10 and with in spitting distance of Atlanta for a couple of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen View Post
    Yeah, some things have been forgotten or overlooked in this thread.

    What I heard,
    Jimbo Fischer wanted the State job after Jackie. LT turned down Jimbo for Croom. Hiring Croom was to lessen the NCAA penalties.

    Jackie interviewed for a few NFL HC jobs in 92 and after 94. He didn?t get either job obviously. There was a lot of smoke around Jackie to Bama after the 2000 season. My Bama friends say he interviewed but didn?t get it. Regardless of how the Bama job got filled, I always thought Jackie lost his drive when he didn?t get that job. Also Peggy got sick I believe.

    So I don?t hold a grudge against Don for looking for jobs. 9 years is about all you will get out of a coach now a days anyway because of the pressure from fans placed on administrators.

    I imagine if CJM keeps us going as Don did, we will Look back in 5 years and appreciate Don more.
    The those penalties... Whose fault were those? LTs? Dans? Freezes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    When you make statements like ?coaching graveyard?, you imply that we took Head Coaches, ruined their careers, and you never heard from them again. The fact is that we hired a number of unqualified coaches on the cheap and gave them no money to build a program with and crappy facilities. They were doomed from the start. And - like Mullen - they almost all moved on and continued their careers.

    The difference that everyone will recognize is that Mullen - a good coach and a great hire - was given resources and support no one else has had at this school. Bob Tyler, Emory Bellard, and Jackie all showed you can win here. But, they all showed without the resources it was not sustainable. Mullen just reinforces that. You can win here with a committed admin and Top 30 budget.
    You still haven't figured out that I'm talking about national perception. Like or not, that was the perception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg View Post
    You still haven't figured out that I'm talking about national perception. Like or not, that was the perception.
    I know exactly what you are talking about, and you are wrong. Most people?s frame of reference is about 25 years. The majority of the country knows MSU as a team that won under Jackie, had down years under Croom, and won under Mullen. They aren?t living with old fart MSU stereotypes in their heads like you have. Maybe because I wasn?t raised an MSU fan and become one in 1990 when I got a letter in the mail asking me to apply I have a different perception then you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    I know exactly what you are talking about, and you are wrong. Most people?s frame of reference is about 25 years. The majority of the country knows MSU as a team that won under Jackie, had down years under Croom, and won under Mullen. They aren?t living with old fart MSU stereotypes in their heads like you have. Maybe because I wasn?t raised an MSU fan and become one in 1990 when I got a letter in the mail asking me to apply I have a different perception then you do.
    I'm talking about national perception in the media and the coaching community. Jackie was viewed as an anomaly.......till Mullen. Jackie was also perceived as cheating his butt off. Take the maroon glasses off.

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    17 MERLINS WITH NO END!!!
    You come home to divorce papers signed on the table...wife gone to live with her exboyfriend that she used to badmouth...then sends for all the furniture to be sent to her...then calls your kids to convince them to come live with her...you don't thank her for the 9 years you were together...you fight to keep what you can, rebuild your life, and never forget the bull$hit way she ended it...I dont really care that Merlins left, just the way he chose to handle himself on the way out is my point...

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    Get to 569 yards and then kneel it for his 69 wins...and just a good ole 69 joke.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe View Post
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BrunswickDawg again.

    Instead of kneeling I hope we go for 2 more yards to make it an even 550.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    I know exactly what you are talking about, and you are wrong. Most people?s frame of reference is about 25 years. The majority of the country knows MSU as a team that won under Jackie, had down years under Croom, and won under Mullen. They aren?t living with old fart MSU stereotypes in their heads like you have. Maybe because I wasn?t raised an MSU fan and become one in 1990 when I got a letter in the mail asking me to apply I have a different perception then you do.
    That's probably the frame of reference you should have. Pre-Jackie and Post-Jackie for MSU is as important as talking about pre- and post-integration. I know national perception is what it is but in reality to compare anything football related pre-Jackie to what is going on now is irrelevant. About as irrelevant as OM talking now about what they accomplished under Vaught. And given I went to MSU in the early to mid-Eighties I think I have a decent perspective in the evolution of MSU football.

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