SAE's Shut Down At Ole Miss

[Duckdog]

SAE is shutting down frats all over the US. Snowflakes running the program I guess. My frat was given the boot from MSU last year. They are supposed to be able to come back in a couple years but it wouldn't surprise me if it didn't happen

[BulldogDX55]

SAE is shutting down frats all over the US. Snowflakes running the program I guess. My frat was given the boot from MSU last year. They are supposed to be able to come back in a couple years but it wouldn't surprise me if it didn't happen

It's not snowflakes, it is people who don't want to be sued. Your seargeant-at-arms and President should have done a better job of making sure no one OD'd, got alcohol poisoning, or excessively hazed. It's not that hard.

[Spiderman]

It's not snowflakes, it is people who don't want to be sued. Your seargeant-at-arms and President should have done a better job of making sure no one OD'd, got alcohol poisoning, or excessively hazed. It's not that hard.

Well they pretty much abused the crap out of us, but nobody died. I don't think it's hazing as much as dope and alcohol.

I just don't see how they are drinking more these days than we did back then. We drank then either puked or passed out, and did it all again a couple days later. I stlll can't even stand the smell of tequila to this day after one such puke fest.

Gotta be mixing the dope and alcohol.

[dawgs]

Well they pretty much abused the crap out of us, but nobody died. I don't think it's hazing as much as dope and alcohol.

I just don't see how they are drinking more these days than we did back then. We drank then either puked or passed out, and did it all again a couple days later. I stlll can't even stand the smell of tequila to this day after one such puke fest.

Gotta be mixing the dope and alcohol.

Maybe y’all did drink more and more shit happened around the country, but because it was pre-internet, iPhone, social media, etc., it wasn’t a story outside of the college town it occurred in. Now if a 18 year old dies from hazing at se Montana st, we all know about it within a few hours.

And i mean, you also seem to imply that people are bigger pussies these days, so they are dying or being hospitalized over drinking in excess, like their genetic makeup and body’s ability to process excessive amounts of alcohol is something people can control, which simply isn’t the case. The problem also arises when you have a couple dumbasses in the frat doing the hazing and don’t realize (or care) someone has reached a limit. They keep forcing alcohol into some pledge even after his body is rejecting it and is vomiting everywhere.

[Spiderman]

Maybe y’all did drink more and more shit happened around the country, but because it was pre-internet, iPhone, social media, etc., it wasn’t a story outside of the college town it occurred in. Now if a 18 year old dies from hazing at se Montana st, we all know about it within a few hours.

And i mean, you also seem to imply that people are bigger pussies these days, so they are dying or being hospitalized over drinking in excess, like their genetic makeup and body’s ability to process excessive amounts of alcohol is something people can control, which simply isn’t the case. The problem also arises when you have a couple dumbasses in the frat doing the hazing and don’t realize (or care) someone has reached a limit. They keep forcing alcohol into some pledge even after his body is rejecting it and is vomiting everywhere.

No, I was pointing out that the drinking isn't any worse than when was there, I wouldn't think.

. I was saying it to see what others thought the problem was with deaths and hospital visits these days, unlike back then.

I can never remember anyone at State, when I was there, dying or having to go too the hospital because of just drinking.

So are they drinking more? Or is it because they are taking some type of substance AND drinking?

[dawgs]

No, I was pointing out that the drinking isn't any worse than when was there, I wouldn't think.

. I was saying it to see what others thought the problem was with deaths and hospital visits these days, unlike back then.

I can never remember anyone at State, when I was there, dying or having to go too the hospital because of just drinking.

So are they drinking more? Or is it because they are taking some type of substance AND drinking?

I just think you were fortunate enough at state to not be there when someone died. Even today it’s not a high percentage of frat pledges dying from alcohol (even 1 dying from forced alcohol consumption is too much though), so most people go 4 years and never experience something like that on their campus.. And I guarantee you people when to the hospital, they were just treated and released though, and there was no one reporting it to the university getting the frat in trouble and there wasn’t social media spreading stories and rumors about it.

[Spiderman]

I just think you were fortunate enough at state to not be there when someone died. Even today it?s not a high percentage of frat pledges dying from alcohol (even 1 dying from forced alcohol consumption is too much though), so most people go 4 years and never experience something like that on their campus.. And I guarantee you people when to the hospital, they were just treated and released though, and there was no one reporting it to the university getting the frat in trouble and there wasn?t social media spreading stories and rumors about it.

It's amazing we were able to function back then and communicate without social media.

State's greek life when I was there was like a large HS. We ddin't need social media, we talked to each other. Anybody going in the hospital for being drunk would have been known in every house a couple of hours later.

[BrunswickDawg]

No, I was pointing out that the drinking isn't any worse than when was there, I wouldn't think.

. I was saying it to see what others thought the problem was with deaths and hospital visits these days, unlike back then.

I can never remember anyone at State, when I was there, dying or having to go too the hospital because of just drinking.

So are they drinking more? Or is it because they are taking some type of substance AND drinking?

I know of a handful that had to go to the hospital in the early 90s.

Having 2 teenagers, I'll give you my observation. I'd say there are fewer kids who start drinking early compared to when many of us grew up (I'm mid 40s). Because of that, kids being thrown into heavy drinking/binge drinking environments aren't familiar with their limits and have more problems. I had my first real drinking experience at 13. By the time I finished high school, I had a pretty good idea of what my levels were. Even then, I had some instances of trying to keep up at a frat party, or getting my ass kicked at Presidents and Assholes or quarters, or being pissed and doing something stupid like 15+ shots of Jager, that caused me to get puke/pass out level drunk. And I was pretty experienced drinker. You throw someone into those situations who has hardly ever touched alcohol and its a recipe for disaster.

[DudyDawg]

I know of a handful that had to go to the hospital in the early 90s.

Having 2 teenagers, I'll give you my observation. I'd say there are fewer kids who start drinking early compared to when many of us grew up (I'm mid 40s). Because of that, kids being thrown into heavy drinking/binge drinking environments aren't familiar with their limits and have more problems. I had my first real drinking experience at 13. By the time I finished high school, I had a pretty good idea of what my levels were. Even then, I had some instances of trying to keep up at a frat party, or getting my ass kicked at Presidents and Assholes or quarters, or being pissed and doing something stupid like 15+ shots of Jager, that caused me to get puke/pass out level drunk. And I was pretty experienced drinker. You throw someone into those situations who has hardly ever touched alcohol and its a recipe for disaster.

I think something you can attribute that to is the new Helicopter Parents... When kids are under the thumb of mom and dad for 18 years and then they are completely on their own, bad things happen.

As far as the frat stuff goes- I think a lot of it is six in one half a dozen in the other... one on hand, there are certainly people against them for other reasons and they are on a witch hunt to shut them down... on the other, you have frats w kids dying and being abused- that isnt okay. Its sad to see them being torn down, but some of it is well deserved. My fraternity hazed, but it didnt involve pledges drinking or anything remotely sexual- which I think is perfectly acceptable and the way it should be.

[Spiderman]

I know of a handful that had to go to the hospital in the early 90s.

Having 2 teenagers, I'll give you my observation. I'd say there are fewer kids who start drinking early compared to when many of us grew up (I'm mid 40s). Because of that, kids being thrown into heavy drinking/binge drinking environments aren't familiar with their limits and have more problems. I had my first real drinking experience at 13. By the time I finished high school, I had a pretty good idea of what my levels were. Even then, I had some instances of trying to keep up at a frat party, or getting my ass kicked at Presidents and Assholes or quarters, or being pissed and doing something stupid like 15+ shots of Jager, that caused me to get puke/pass out level drunk. And I was pretty experienced drinker. You throw someone into those situations who has hardly ever touched alcohol and its a recipe for disaster.

Makes sense.

Hell, it wasn't anything new to me when I got there. Just another party

[Duckdog]

It's not snowflakes, it is people who don't want to be sued. Your seargeant-at-arms and President should have done a better job of making sure no one OD'd, got alcohol poisoning, or excessively hazed. It's not that hard.

I agree about my Frat but SAE closing down chapters all over is the snow flake crap

[BulldogDX55]

I agree about my Frat but SAE closing down chapters all over is the snow flake crap

How do you know that, though? Quit shifting the blame. Chances are, any chapter in the country that gets shut down did something to deserve it.

It isn't that hard. When I was running my fraternity, we didn't have a single major incident. All it took was myself plus one other brother keeping track of things during parties. Also, don't hit your pledges, force them to consume excessive amounts of substances, and don't sexually humiliate them. IT ISNT HARD.

[Mr todd French]

Well I survived being a E at State. We were on probation
every other semester. Plenty of drinking and hazing but we did worse
at my high school.

[Joe Schmedlap]

What hi skruel had more hazing than SAE?

Well I survived being a E at State. We were on probation
every other semester. Plenty of drinking and hazing but we did worse
at my high school.

[InTheIttaBenaHotSun]

Well I survived being a E at State. We were on probation
every other semester. Plenty of drinking and hazing but we did worse
at my high school.

What High School did you attend?

[Reunion Dog]

I was an SAE in the 80's and had a blast. when i was a pledge we had Lion patrol and had to sit in a tree and wait on girls to come try to paint the lions. If we caught them... We soaked them with with a water hose and cut their bra off.... and the girls knew what would happen if we caught them. It was all in fun.... I put a dead possum down the KA house chimney one night and a month later in the winter... all the windows were open becasue that possum had been lit up in the fireplace and had a nice smell to it... Also stole a horse one nite from the old Ag museum where they play volleyball now... took the horse in the KA house and it slipped on some tile and started to kick holes in the walls and we ran out and left it in there.. Use to hit golf balls into malfunction junction.... had the best black bands every weekend and kegs of Miller Lite every wkend in the house... Hell week was real.... but much more fun when you became a full fledge member.... I have no regrets... best days of my life in terms of fun and brotherhood... Has helped in the professional world also.... Fraternity life isn't for everyone... but it was for me.... Hated folks in other fraternities.... now glad to call them close friends....

Our motto... Make your mother proud... Sleep with an E! Phi Alpha Bitches!

[dawgs]

I agree about my Frat but SAE closing down chapters all over is the snow flake crap

If they have rampant issues with physical abuse, sexual abuse, and/or forced alcohol consumption as part of the pledging process, then that’s not because of “snowflakes”. They aren’t just arbitrarily closing chapters. The thing is, all the pledging shit is beyond stupid and any harm or death from it is 100% preventable.

[BrunswickDawg]

SAE is shutting down frats all over the US. Snowflakes running the program I guess. My frat was given the boot from MSU last year. They are supposed to be able to come back in a couple years but it wouldn't surprise me if it didn't happen

The schools and national organizations have been warning us for 25 years and trying to change frat habits. Some have been willing to adapt, some haven't. My frat at MSU had a major incident a few years ago and came very close to being shut down for good. They finally learned their lesson and have come back strong and don't tolerate stupid shit. You can have fun. You can drink. But, there are lines that can't be crossed for the good of everyone involved - and that means no drinking to the point of being black out drunk, no hazing (because like it or not frats have killed people during hazing), and putting the kibosh on sexual assault. That is the right thing to do. Nothing snowflake about it.