SAE's Shut Down At Ole Miss

[dawgs]

Well they pretty much abused the crap out of us, but nobody died. I don't think it's hazing as much as dope and alcohol.

I just don't see how they are drinking more these days than we did back then. We drank then either puked or passed out, and did it all again a couple days later. I stlll can't even stand the smell of tequila to this day after one such puke fest.

Gotta be mixing the dope and alcohol.

Maybe y’all did drink more and more shit happened around the country, but because it was pre-internet, iPhone, social media, etc., it wasn’t a story outside of the college town it occurred in. Now if a 18 year old dies from hazing at se Montana st, we all know about it within a few hours.

And i mean, you also seem to imply that people are bigger pussies these days, so they are dying or being hospitalized over drinking in excess, like their genetic makeup and body’s ability to process excessive amounts of alcohol is something people can control, which simply isn’t the case. The problem also arises when you have a couple dumbasses in the frat doing the hazing and don’t realize (or care) someone has reached a limit. They keep forcing alcohol into some pledge even after his body is rejecting it and is vomiting everywhere.

[Spiderman]

Maybe y’all did drink more and more shit happened around the country, but because it was pre-internet, iPhone, social media, etc., it wasn’t a story outside of the college town it occurred in. Now if a 18 year old dies from hazing at se Montana st, we all know about it within a few hours.

And i mean, you also seem to imply that people are bigger pussies these days, so they are dying or being hospitalized over drinking in excess, like their genetic makeup and body’s ability to process excessive amounts of alcohol is something people can control, which simply isn’t the case. The problem also arises when you have a couple dumbasses in the frat doing the hazing and don’t realize (or care) someone has reached a limit. They keep forcing alcohol into some pledge even after his body is rejecting it and is vomiting everywhere.

No, I was pointing out that the drinking isn't any worse than when was there, I wouldn't think.

. I was saying it to see what others thought the problem was with deaths and hospital visits these days, unlike back then.

I can never remember anyone at State, when I was there, dying or having to go too the hospital because of just drinking.

So are they drinking more? Or is it because they are taking some type of substance AND drinking?

[dawgs]

No, I was pointing out that the drinking isn't any worse than when was there, I wouldn't think.

. I was saying it to see what others thought the problem was with deaths and hospital visits these days, unlike back then.

I can never remember anyone at State, when I was there, dying or having to go too the hospital because of just drinking.

So are they drinking more? Or is it because they are taking some type of substance AND drinking?

I just think you were fortunate enough at state to not be there when someone died. Even today it’s not a high percentage of frat pledges dying from alcohol (even 1 dying from forced alcohol consumption is too much though), so most people go 4 years and never experience something like that on their campus.. And I guarantee you people when to the hospital, they were just treated and released though, and there was no one reporting it to the university getting the frat in trouble and there wasn’t social media spreading stories and rumors about it.

[Spiderman]

I just think you were fortunate enough at state to not be there when someone died. Even today it?s not a high percentage of frat pledges dying from alcohol (even 1 dying from forced alcohol consumption is too much though), so most people go 4 years and never experience something like that on their campus.. And I guarantee you people when to the hospital, they were just treated and released though, and there was no one reporting it to the university getting the frat in trouble and there wasn?t social media spreading stories and rumors about it.

It's amazing we were able to function back then and communicate without social media.

State's greek life when I was there was like a large HS. We ddin't need social media, we talked to each other. Anybody going in the hospital for being drunk would have been known in every house a couple of hours later.

[dawgs]

It's amazing we were able to function back then and communicate without social media.

State's greek life when I was there was like a large HS. We ddin't need social media, we talked to each other. Anybody going in the hospital for being drunk would have been known in every house a couple of hours later.

When I was in a frat at state (00-04) I certainly wasn’t in the loop on every single other frat members alcohol intake.

[BrunswickDawg]

No, I was pointing out that the drinking isn't any worse than when was there, I wouldn't think.

. I was saying it to see what others thought the problem was with deaths and hospital visits these days, unlike back then.

I can never remember anyone at State, when I was there, dying or having to go too the hospital because of just drinking.

So are they drinking more? Or is it because they are taking some type of substance AND drinking?

I know of a handful that had to go to the hospital in the early 90s.

Having 2 teenagers, I'll give you my observation. I'd say there are fewer kids who start drinking early compared to when many of us grew up (I'm mid 40s). Because of that, kids being thrown into heavy drinking/binge drinking environments aren't familiar with their limits and have more problems. I had my first real drinking experience at 13. By the time I finished high school, I had a pretty good idea of what my levels were. Even then, I had some instances of trying to keep up at a frat party, or getting my ass kicked at Presidents and Assholes or quarters, or being pissed and doing something stupid like 15+ shots of Jager, that caused me to get puke/pass out level drunk. And I was pretty experienced drinker. You throw someone into those situations who has hardly ever touched alcohol and its a recipe for disaster.

[DudyDawg]

I know of a handful that had to go to the hospital in the early 90s.

Having 2 teenagers, I'll give you my observation. I'd say there are fewer kids who start drinking early compared to when many of us grew up (I'm mid 40s). Because of that, kids being thrown into heavy drinking/binge drinking environments aren't familiar with their limits and have more problems. I had my first real drinking experience at 13. By the time I finished high school, I had a pretty good idea of what my levels were. Even then, I had some instances of trying to keep up at a frat party, or getting my ass kicked at Presidents and Assholes or quarters, or being pissed and doing something stupid like 15+ shots of Jager, that caused me to get puke/pass out level drunk. And I was pretty experienced drinker. You throw someone into those situations who has hardly ever touched alcohol and its a recipe for disaster.

I think something you can attribute that to is the new Helicopter Parents... When kids are under the thumb of mom and dad for 18 years and then they are completely on their own, bad things happen.

As far as the frat stuff goes- I think a lot of it is six in one half a dozen in the other... one on hand, there are certainly people against them for other reasons and they are on a witch hunt to shut them down... on the other, you have frats w kids dying and being abused- that isnt okay. Its sad to see them being torn down, but some of it is well deserved. My fraternity hazed, but it didnt involve pledges drinking or anything remotely sexual- which I think is perfectly acceptable and the way it should be.

[drunkernhelldawg]

I think something you can attribute that to is the new Helicopter Parents... When kids are under the thumb of mom and dad for 18 years and then they are completely on their own, bad things happen.

A.

That is a huge problem. Let people be their own selves! Parents, that means you.

[Spiderman]

I know of a handful that had to go to the hospital in the early 90s.

Having 2 teenagers, I'll give you my observation. I'd say there are fewer kids who start drinking early compared to when many of us grew up (I'm mid 40s). Because of that, kids being thrown into heavy drinking/binge drinking environments aren't familiar with their limits and have more problems. I had my first real drinking experience at 13. By the time I finished high school, I had a pretty good idea of what my levels were. Even then, I had some instances of trying to keep up at a frat party, or getting my ass kicked at Presidents and Assholes or quarters, or being pissed and doing something stupid like 15+ shots of Jager, that caused me to get puke/pass out level drunk. And I was pretty experienced drinker. You throw someone into those situations who has hardly ever touched alcohol and its a recipe for disaster.

Makes sense.

Hell, it wasn't anything new to me when I got there. Just another party