Star Wars: The Last Jedi

[SheltonChoked]

To me what I didn't like about it was it was slow in spots that didn't really need to be slow and then fast in spots that I wanted to last longer. I get that they used the casino planet to show who is really profiting from the ongoing war and they sell to both sides. It just seemed to drag on to me. I found myself getting bored and zoning out.

Building Snoke up to be the big bad only to kill him with basically a sneak attack (which was probably the only way to kill him) and have no description of who or what he was. Kylo could have given her a brief synopsis in the elevator or something.

Rey going into the Dark side hole only to just see her reflection stretched out when she was looking for her parents. Maybe I missed something but it made no sense to me. Yoda being able to call down lightning, so can force ghosts interact now? I understand just completely overlooking the midicholrian dumb plot point but basically saying Rey's parents were just nobodies, why did the Skywalker lightsaber speak to her? If it was just because she was force sensitive, why wouldn't someone else have found it in the 20 years it was in the basement. If little kid with a broom can already do things then why wouldn't one of the thousands of people that go through that bar have had the same reaction as Rey? Surely someone else would have been force sensitive in that amount of time.

It just seems like Rian basically just took the notes that JJ had made for this sequel and threw them in the trash. The humor a lot of times felt forced and took away from the mood also. It seemed like they tried to make a Marvel movie with Star Wars characters.

Also with Holdo's sacrifice, it was just plain dumb. You have all these idealist fighters that are willing to die for the cause, why would someone else not take control of the ship. Holdo is supposedly a badass tactician, would the resistance not benefit a lot more from her to continue on and let the janitor continue to pilot the ship?

Along with Snoke, they also kill off Phasma I guess as a nod to the shitty way Boba Fhett was killed. Finn was a damn janitor, he wouldn't be able to stand toe to toe with one of the First Order's best fighters.

Rey in the dark side hole is to show how she is not afraid of the dark side of the force, but she still rejects it. Unlike Luke who fears the dark side. Rey demonstrates the dark side has no power over her.

The fact she is a nobody ( just like Vader was) shows the force is for everyone. She is "special" in that the force has balance. Ren is a super strong dark side character, the force made Rey a super strong light side character to balance. That's why Luke had to die. Snoke was killed, so to balance the force, Luke had to die. Or maybe the others were not listening. Or maybe it's just survivorship bias.

I understand the casino plotline was a dead end, and some of the revelations could have come from dialog only, but I think the point was to introduce the stable kids so that the broom boy at the end was a less "random" force user.

Why no one thought, on either side, that a Kamikaze attack was a god tactical move to allow the rebel ships to get away, or for that matter to shield them with the cruiser, I have no idea.

They should have left Phasma dead from the last movie.

[BrunswickDawg]

Rey in the dark side hole is to show how she is not afraid of the dark side of the force, but she still rejects it. Unlike Luke who fears the dark side. Rey demonstrates the dark side has no power over her.

The fact she is a nobody ( just like Vader was) shows the force is for everyone. She is "special" in that the force has balance. Ren is a super strong dark side character, the force made Rey a super strong light side character to balance. That's why Luke had to die. Snoke was killed, so to balance the force, Luke had to die. Or maybe the others were not listening. Or maybe it's just survivorship bias.

I understand the casino plotline was a dead end, and some of the revelations could have come from dialog only, but I think the point was to introduce the stable kids so that the broom boy at the end was a less "random" force user.

Why no one thought, on either side, that a Kamikaze attack was a god tactical move to allow the rebel ships to get away, or for that matter to shield them with the cruiser, I have no idea.

They should have left Phasma dead from the last movie.

I think what Rey and Broom kid are showing and what Luke was talking about is something along the lines of a basic tenet of Christianity - if you let go of yourself and invest in believing, then you become one with the grace of God. You don't have to be special. You don't have to be from a privileged bloodline. You just have to believe. Chirrut Imwe in Rogue One kind of embodied this idea too. What I see happening is that that Rey will inspire some sort of Force revolution where all you have to do is believe. It sounds kind of corny from a modern Hollywood perspective, but if you know anything about Campbell and the Hero's Journey, it would make a very interesting way to tie up the story arc of all 3 trilogies.

[Tbonewannabe]

Rey in the dark side hole is to show how she is not afraid of the dark side of the force, but she still rejects it. Unlike Luke who fears the dark side. Rey demonstrates the dark side has no power over her.

The fact she is a nobody ( just like Vader was) shows the force is for everyone. She is "special" in that the force has balance. Ren is a super strong dark side character, the force made Rey a super strong light side character to balance. That's why Luke had to die. Snoke was killed, so to balance the force, Luke had to die. Or maybe the others were not listening. Or maybe it's just survivorship bias.

I understand the casino plotline was a dead end, and some of the revelations could have come from dialog only, but I think the point was to introduce the stable kids so that the broom boy at the end was a less "random" force user.

Why no one thought, on either side, that a Kamikaze attack was a god tactical move to allow the rebel ships to get away, or for that matter to shield them with the cruiser, I have no idea.

They should have left Phasma dead from the last movie.

But how did she reject it? She went in there and didn't get the answers she was looking for. I think as much as anything that Luke might have talked more about the Grey Jedis. There are parts of the Light and Dark sides that can benefit humanity. By going to one extreme or the other is how you get corrupted. The Jedis basically became holier than thou and could actually harm people just from thinking they knew better than anyone else. Of course the Dark side is power that corrupts but power can also be used to save people, it just depends on how it is used.

Phasma had a novel written about her being a super badass warrior and then gets beaten by a janitor. If they removed the entire Finn and Rose storyline then it probably makes the movie flow better and eliminates some dumb plot points.

I think Luke was in a way punishing himself for Ben but also afraid of the dark side and being corrupted. He almost struck down Ben instead of trying to save him. It showed both point of views between Ben and Luke were kind of correct. Just like most things, the truth is usually in the middle. Luke finally admitted it and it allowed him to come to peace with it.

Overall, I enjoyed the beginning with Poe flying out to face the empire alone while buying time. The humor there kind of lost me some. I thought it was kind of funny but just doesn't fit. I enjoyed the end and the more I think about Luke creating an astral projection across the galaxy and even creating the gold dice from Han is extremely impressive. The rebels charging the ATATs looked cool but they didn't even shoot one thing. Just like most of the movie, seemed to be all flash no substance.

I might enjoy it more on a 2nd go around but I won't waste my money to see it in the theater again.

[SheltonChoked]

But how did she reject it? She went in there and didn't get the answers she was looking for. I think as much as anything that Luke might have talked more about the Grey Jedis. There are parts of the Light and Dark sides that can benefit humanity. By going to one extreme or the other is how you get corrupted. The Jedis basically became holier than thou and could actually harm people just from thinking they knew better than anyone else. Of course the Dark side is power that corrupts but power can also be used to save people, it just depends on how it is used.

Phasma had a novel written about her being a super badass warrior and then gets beaten by a janitor. If they removed the entire Finn and Rose storyline then it probably makes the movie flow better and eliminates some dumb plot points.

I think Luke was in a way punishing himself for Ben but also afraid of the dark side and being corrupted. He almost struck down Ben instead of trying to save him. It showed both point of views between Ben and Luke were kind of correct. Just like most things, the truth is usually in the middle. Luke finally admitted it and it allowed him to come to peace with it.

Overall, I enjoyed the beginning with Poe flying out to face the empire alone while buying time. The humor there kind of lost me some. I thought it was kind of funny but just doesn't fit. I enjoyed the end and the more I think about Luke creating an astral projection across the galaxy and even creating the gold dice from Han is extremely impressive. The rebels charging the ATATs looked cool but they didn't even shoot one thing. Just like most of the movie, seemed to be all flash no substance.

I might enjoy it more on a 2nd go around but I won't waste my money to see it in the theater again.

The rejection was in the throne room with Ren. Contrast how Luke encounter Vader and freaked at his own severed head in the mask Vs Rey in the cave of the dark side. She was curious. And disappointed. Not afraid. Remember Yoda “ fear leads to hate, hate leads to anger. Anger leads to suffering”.

I like Brunswick’s Christianity analogy. The jedi became the Middle Ages Catholic Church. Hiding was should be given freely.

Phasma having a novel novel means she should have been killed in the first one.

[Tbonewannabe]

The rejection was in the throne room with Ren. Contrast how Luke encounter Vader and freaked at his own severed head in the mask Vs Rey in the cave of the dark side. She was curious. And disappointed. Not afraid. Remember Yoda “ fear leads to hate, hate leads to anger. Anger leads to suffering”.

I like Brunswick’s Christianity analogy. The jedi became the Middle Ages Catholic Church. Hiding was should be given freely.

Phasma having a novel novel means she should have been killed in the first one.

I think this is what may lead to the Grey Jedis or whatever you want to call the neutral force users. I still have to think on it but I am still disappointed overall in the movie. The movie just had too many throw away scenes. It just seems like everything set up in 7 was almost just thrown into a garbage can and said none of this is actually important. Luke even throws away the lightsaber that started him on this journey like it was just a normal piece of garbage. If nothing else, he should have looked at it as a piece of his father as a Jedi.