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    Not understanding all the hate for Mullen

    Mullen may have dipped out without saying much but that?s the way the business is. He could have handled it a little better but honestly, no matter what he said there would be people who hold it against him. I think he went out in the best possible way that would help us secure the next head coach easiest. Had he told recruits and players he was leaving they would have jumped ship and given up on the season. He let the people know that needed to know he was leaving and I really think he had State?s best interest in mind when doing this. We were great to him for 9 years and he changed our football program by setting the foundation for future success. He was smart enough to see the blueprint for State to compete and put that plan into action. He may be weird and he may be different but he and his family truly love and always will love State and Starkville and I hate to see it end like this. Hopefully down the road the people who feel betrayed will soften on that stance. He gave us a great 9 years and elevated the program and he did it THE RIGHT WAY. I?m thankful for Mullen and understand he needed a new challenge in life. I will always be grateful to Mullen and I hope State honors him in the future because he absolutely deserves it. I wish him success at Florida unless playing against us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoreCowbell View Post
    Mullen may have dipped out without saying much but that?s the way the business is. He could have handled it a little better but honestly, no matter what he said there would be people who hold it against him. I think he went out in the best possible way that would help us secure the next head coach easiest. Had he told recruits and players he was leaving they would have jumped ship and given up on the season. He let the people know that needed to know he was leaving and I really think he had State?s best interest in mind when doing this. We were great to him for 9 years and he changed our football program by setting the foundation for future success. He was smart enough to see the blueprint for State to compete and put that plan into action. He may be weird and he may be different but he and his family truly love and always will love State and Starkville and I hate to see it end like this. Hopefully down the road the people who feel betrayed will soften on that stance. He gave us a great 9 years and elevated the program and he did it THE RIGHT WAY. I?m thankful for Mullen and understand he needed a new challenge in life. I will always be grateful to Mullen and I hope State honors him in the future because he absolutely deserves it. I wish him success at Florida unless playing against us.
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    I don't think people on here hate him. Time will heal fresh wounds and his time here will be remembered fondly.

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    The fact that you feel the need and urge to post This should answer your question.

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    I felt the need to post because it seems like 90% of this board hates him. For God sakes there was a thread the other day saying he wasn?t really a good QB developer... like come on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoreCowbell View Post
    I felt the need to post because it seems like 90% of this board hates him. For God sakes there was a thread the other day saying he wasn?t really a good QB developer... like come on.
    I don't hate him. I just don't think our history begins and ends with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg View Post
    I don't hate him. I just don't think our history begins and ends with him.
    Bingo! I don't hate Lateral Move and I'm happy that he's at a place where he feels like he can truly reach his potential. The problems I have are the way he left (more so for the current players than the fanbase) and the narrative that he built this program by himself, to which he feeds into. We all know you can't accomplish anything without the help of others. He seems to think those "others" are Hev. and Gonzo.

    I'll forever continue to call him Lateral Move, only because of those were his words for Collins when he left. It seems to fit perfectly under the circumstances.

    Being a bit childish, I also find humor in the way he kowtows to Spurrier. This was him the other night giving "relentless effort" to gain a bit of acceptance from the Ole Ball Coach at the College Football HOF:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh View Post
    Bingo! I don't hate Lateral Move and I'm happy that he's at a place where he feels like he can truly reach his potential. The problems I have are the way he left (more so for the current players than the fanbase) and the narrative that he built this program by himself, to which he feeds into. We all know you can't accomplish anything without the help of others. He seems to think those "others" are Hev. and Gonzo.

    I'll forever continue to call him Lateral Move, only because of those were his words for Collins when he left. It seems to fit perfectly under the circumstances.

    Being a bit childish, I also find humor in the way he kowtows to Spurrier. This was him the other night giving "relentless effort" to gain a bit of acceptance from the Ole Ball Coach at the College Football HOF:


    This. Mullen did not build this program alone.

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    It's real simple for me. He put his job hunting above finishing out seasons at MSU....We had a chance to go to the playoffs in 2014. Play in the Sugar Bowl in 2015. Play in the Citrus in 2017. Each of those years, we lost the Egg Bowl and our team looked unprepared (Yes, I know in 2017 we lost our QB but why doesn't the D pressure the QB? Double cover AJ?)

    I hope he enjoys Florida and their fanbase. Bye.

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    This I can somewhat get.

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    I don't hate Dom Murloni. I think it was time for a change. He left us better off than when he came. And I think for guys like C34 it may end up being a vindication that Donny Mullonoski was actually holding us back some. He'd peaked here. Mainly b/c he was a lazy recruiter and complacent about his tenure here at MSU. Oh, and he wouldn't upgrade his assistants on the offensive side of the ball b/c they were his BFFs.

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    Don't understand it either. And all the new names for him is silly too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgface View Post
    Don't understand it either. And all the new names for him is silly too.
    Ha. Man....glad others see how dumb the random made up names are.

    Just makes it seem like the people using them are still butt hurt about him moving on. Get over it and move on your self. If I were one to visit other fanbases forums (like so many are) and saw them referring to an old coach like that it it would appear to me that those are sore and can't get past it. They aren't even clever or insults for that matter.

    It also exudes the "little brother" mentality that MSU get's accused of all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryBuff View Post
    Ha. Man....glad others see how dumb the random made up names are.

    Just makes it seem like the people using them are still butt hurt about him moving on. Get over it and move on your self. If I were one to visit other fanbases forums (like so many are) and saw them referring to an old coach like that it it would appear to me that those are sore and can't get past it. They aren't even clever or insults for that matter.

    It also exudes the "little brother" mentality that MSU get's accused of all the time.
    I view the posters bitching about the Dante Muffin names as the ones that are insecure and worried about other fanbases. The rest of us are unifying together and having fun with it. Almost unanimously we are all excited for Moorhead and think we have upgraded at the HC position so we are enjoying Merkel and the Gators thinking they scored a huge hire when we just got a better one than them in two days. Thanks Cohen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg61 View Post
    I view the posters bitching about the Dante Muffin names as the ones that are insecure and worried about other fanbases. The rest of us are unifying together and having fun with it. Almost unanimously we are all excited for Moorhead and think we have upgraded at the HC position so we are enjoying Merkel and the Gators thinking they scored a huge hire when we just got a better one than them in two days. Thanks Cohen!
    Oooooooooh Dante Muffin You really got him. Here let me try with your name. Hawgs32. Got hiiiiim. What a knee slapper.

    That's about the response I expected though. If I wouldn't have even mentioned other fanbases looking at forums then your accusation of insecurities wouldn't even be there. Guess I set my self up for an easy one. Still though, about as creative as the random names.

    No one even mentioned any disappointment in Moorhead. Not sure where you pulled that from. It almost sounds to me like you are trying to justify your insecurities with that statement. Also, quit pretending Mullen won't have an effect at UF. They are a sleeping giant waiting to be woken up. No one is arguing that Mullen is better than Moorhead either. I'm way more happy with Moorhead than Mullen. One can only run the ball up the gut so many times before it doesn't work anymore. It wouldn't be that hard to be more creative than Mullen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryBuff View Post
    Oooooooooh Dante Muffin You really got him. Here let me try with your name. Hawgs32. Got hiiiiim. What a knee slapper.

    That's about the response I expected though. If I wouldn't have even mentioned other fanbases looking at forums then your accusation of insecurities wouldn't even be there. Guess I set my self up for an easy one. Still though, about as creative as the random names.

    No one even mentioned any disappointment in Moorhead. Not sure where you pulled that from. It almost sounds to me like you are trying to justify your insecurities with that statement. Also, quit pretending Mullen won't have an effect at UF. They are a sleeping giant waiting to be woken up. No one is arguing that Mullen is better than Moorhead either. I'm way more happy with Moorhead than Mullen. One can only run the ball up the gut so many times before it doesn't work anymore. It wouldn't be that hard to be more creative than Mullen.
    I'll stop calling him Muffin and other variations when I get bored with it. Not when someone who just signed up for this board two months ago wants me to.

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    I don't hate him, but sure hope he fails down there, for the simple reason that means the Gators fail, and since they are now recruiting against us why shouldn't I?

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    - I don't hate Mullen & actually am thankful for everything he did for MSU program, except losing a few Egg Bowls while trying to get another job.

    - I've lost a ton of respect for him by how he has handled this change, continues to recruit players that are committed to a program he built, & how it's clear that he thought he was better than MSU, due to how he never embraced the state or the town. That's not a requirement for a coach, but it still would've shown a lot.

    - I hope he falls on his face & sucks it up at Florida because that increases the value of the MSU coaching job. Mullen stinking at Florida shows that MSU can be a destination job as leaving for a more prominent school does not guarantee success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    - I don't hate Mullen & actually am thankful for everything he did for MSU program, except losing a few Egg Bowls while trying to get another job.

    - I've lost a ton of respect for him by how he has handled this change, continues to recruit players that are committed to a program he built, & how it's clear that he thought he was better than MSU, due to how he never embraced the state or the town. That's not a requirement for a coach, but it still would've shown a lot.

    - I hope he falls on his face & sucks it up at Florida because that increases the value of the MSU coaching job. Mullen stinking at Florida shows that MSU can be a destination job as leaving for a more prominent school does not guarantee success.
    ^ This. I was a big defender of Rance Mulliniks, and didn't want to believe we were being used this whole time. The way he left opened the eyes of a lot of people, and you have to let people vent. When Jackie left, people were pissed at him for the way the program had become a shambles, but we still love him for what he did for the program. Rance will be seen in the same light in about 3-4 years.

    As an aside - I was thinking something this morning. Did Dan actually do us a huge favor by leaving this year? We have a loaded team coming back. A team that I think will be good enough to challenge for the West - which defacto means be in the hunt for NC. I don't think Dan would have gotten us over that hump, and we would be royally pissed at a 10-2 record with 2 bed shittings against Auburn and Bama (or god forbid OM). Couple that with the probability that the Country Club was going to coast into the 2019 signing class thinking they had it made, which would have been a recipe for disaster. If those 2 things happened, I think there would have been a lot of talk after next year about moving on and I don't think Dan's ego would have handled that well. He'd be 2016 pissy, and the 2019 season could turn into a 2001 disaster- leading to a Jackie-esqu downfall. This may be the one time in history that we have had the best thing possible happen to us from a coaching turnover perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    As an aside - I was thinking something this morning. Did Dan actually do us a huge favor by leaving this year? We have a loaded team coming back. A team that I think will be good enough to challenge for the West - which defacto means be in the hunt for NC. I don't think Dan would have gotten us over that hump, and we would be royally pissed at a 10-2 record with 2 bed shittings against Auburn and Bama (or god forbid OM). Couple that with the probability that the Country Club was going to coast into the 2019 signing class thinking they had it made, which would have been a recipe for disaster. If those 2 things happened, I think there would have been a lot of talk after next year about moving on and I don't think Dan's ego would have handled that well. He'd be 2016 pissy, and the 2019 season could turn into a 2001 disaster- leading to a Jackie-esqu downfall. This may be the one time in history that we have had the best thing possible happen to us from a coaching turnover perspective.
    I think there is an excellent argument that for the long term ceiling of the program, Mullen leaving this year was for the best. The sucky part though is that had Mullen been "all in" we'd be in the Citrus Bowl right now & with a 9-3 record. However, now since we don't have a coaching staff, a 10-3, top 10 caliber team is probably going to finish unranked & with an 8-5 record. Mullen's situation royally 17ed this ceiling of this season & will likely cause us to be ranked far lower going into 2018 than we should be.

    So, for the long term, I agree that now was probably the best time, but for the short term, it sucks.

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