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Originally Posted by
Commercecomet24
Butch was an ?average? hire.
I kinda think he was below average.
"It is not courage to resist TUSK; It is courage to accept TUSK."
No.
Easy there buddy. Tusk is...well Tusk is Tusk. Tireddawg 12.20.17
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Originally Posted by
TUSK
I kinda think he was below average.
Not based on his record. He was considered an up and comer. Now personally I don?t like him but he was a pretty hot commodity when hired.
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Why does Tennessee (the state) not have "the talent"? They're almost as big as Alabama and Mississippi combined.
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Y?all gimme a bit, I gotta break away but want to continue this discussion.
Y?all do your homework ***.
BBL
"It is not courage to resist TUSK; It is courage to accept TUSK."
No.
Easy there buddy. Tusk is...well Tusk is Tusk. Tireddawg 12.20.17
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Originally Posted by
TUSK
I kinda think he was below average.
Of course Tusk, and the beat goes on! Best thing for TN is they play in the East which has Vandy, Missouri and Kentucky.
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Originally Posted by
RocketDawg
Why does Tennessee (the state) not have "the talent"? They're almost as big as Alabama and Mississippi combined.
I have always wondered that too. They have several big metropolitan areas with Memphis, Nashville, Knoxville, Chattanooga and maybe some more I?m forgetting.Interesting for sure.
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Tennessee has money but they aren't about to invest $45 -50 mill in contract money to attempt to steal Mullen and it'd take that much when you consider that Dan would need a considerable raise from $4.8 mill per year, he'd need a max years contract (5 years), they'd have to pay Butch's buyout and they'd have to pay Dan's buyout. Simply put nobody is dropping $50 mill to sign someone that has never beaten Alabama. That is the standard they MUST hire the next guy with. Someone that can beat Saban. It's a small pool to choose from.
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Hey Tusk maybe they?ll hire Les****
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Originally Posted by
RocketDawg
Why does Tennessee (the state) not have "the talent"? They're almost as big as Alabama and Mississippi combined.
East Tennessee suffers from what Dan Jenkins called "Under-Bro" syndrome
Not only did Mississippi State embarrass LSU on this night. Davis Wade Stadium wrecked Tiger Stadium in music choice, atmosphere and, most of all, volume.
When I'm 80 and deaf, it's not going to be all those Springsteen concerts or Queen at Municipal Auditorium in New Orleans on Halloween Night in 1978, it will be this game...............Glen Guilbeau--Sherveport Times
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Originally Posted by
Commercecomet24
Hey Tusk maybe they?ll hire Les****
It would be a step up from Butch....
Lots of folks on here are calling UT a "shit job"... and that may be (real time, factual), but lemme ask yall this:
If Dan Mullen (above average coach) had Top 15-20ish talent (like UT has), how would he do vs UT's '17 schedule?
I'll hang up, and listen.
"It is not courage to resist TUSK; It is courage to accept TUSK."
No.
Easy there buddy. Tusk is...well Tusk is Tusk. Tireddawg 12.20.17
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
Tennessee has money but they aren't about to invest $45 -50 mill in contract money to attempt to steal Mullen and it'd take that much when you consider that Dan would need a considerable raise from $4.8 mill per year, he'd need a max years contract (5 years), they'd have to pay Butch's buyout and they'd have to pay Dan's buyout. Simply put nobody is dropping $50 mill to sign someone that has never beaten Alabama. That is the standard they MUST hire the next guy with. Someone that can beat Saban. It's a small pool to choose from.
Dan makes 4.8M/yr? wow... I thought it was a bit lower...
That being said, IF UT thought CDM was "the guy":
1) UT will stroke off a check for Butch's buy out at $6M (they are going to fire him and pay him that, regardless... so, buyout is a non factor).
2) UT won't bat an eye at paying "the guy" $45-50M to coach and pay his former employer's buyout.
3) "The guy" would have a better chance of beating Bammer with UT talent and ancillary support.
that being said, I don't think that UT thinks that CDM is "that guy".... but I do know this:
CDM at UT is more dangerous than:
1) CDM at MSU or,
2) Butch Jones at UT.
"It is not courage to resist TUSK; It is courage to accept TUSK."
No.
Easy there buddy. Tusk is...well Tusk is Tusk. Tireddawg 12.20.17
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Originally Posted by
TUSK
It would be a step up from Butch....
Lots of folks on here are calling UT a "shit job"... and that may be (real time, factual), but lemme ask yall this:
If Dan Mullen (above average coach) had Top 15-20ish talent (like UT has), how would he do vs UT's '17 schedule?
I'll hang up, and listen.
Les would be a step up. I don?t like butch at all but when he was hired he was considered on the rise. He won 4 conference championships(albeit 2 Mac and 2 big east) in 3 years at central Michigan and 3 years at Cincinnati. So it was considered a good hire at the time. And Dan has proven what he can do with even above average talent.
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Originally Posted by
TUSK
Dan makes 4.8M/yr? wow... I thought it was a bit lower...
UT won't bat an eye at paying "the guy" $45-50M to coach and pay his former employer's buyout.
I know it's not your intent but it's disrespectful when you say "wow...I thought it was a bit lower". That line of thinking is just another example of how other fanbases prefer to keep viewing MSU as if it's still 2005. Dan Mullen makes $4.8 mill a year in Starkville, Mississippi which is about $6.5 mill worth in Knoxville (cost of living and shit). MSU took Dan off the table for everyone else with that salary.
Nobody bats an eye at dropping $50 mill unless they are Bill Gates. $50 mill is $50 mill.
MSU has been a better football program than Tennessee for almost a decade straight now. It isn't 1996 anymore when Fat Phil was clearly cheating his ass off to recruit nationally for Tennessee. He didn't share his cheating ways with the new coaches and about 5 other football programs started in Florida since then so Tennessee can't pluck those players away anymore like they used to be able to do back in the 90's. The aren't nearly the same national brand they still hang onto being back with Peyton as their QB. If Tennessee doesn't spend stupid money to grab Gruden or Kelly (and I am not sold Kelly will work either) they aren't going to get much better than their current level. Sooner or later they're just gonna have to face the fact that they are in a subpar talent level state and 15-25 other programs within their recruiting area have all improved significantly since 1996. Knoxville ain't Nashville.
Last edited by Dawg61; 10-24-2017 at 01:33 AM.
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Pretty obvious Finebaum achieved what he wanted here. There’s no chance Dan goes to TN. It’s not even remotely possible. Let it go.
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Originally Posted by
TUSK
It would be a step up from Butch....
Lots of folks on here are calling UT a "shit job"... and that may be (real time, factual), but lemme ask yall this:
If Dan Mullen (above average coach) had Top 15-20ish talent (like UT has), how would he do vs UT's '17 schedule?
I'll hang up, and listen.
If we finish up this class like it looks like we are and we recruit 2019 well you will find out because that's roughly what our rankings will be. I think ultimately Dan can get us from 6-8 wins a year that we are currently at to 8-10 consistently with top 15-20 recruiting. He's averaging 8 a year as it is with what he is currently doing.
So, basically improve o-line and WR recruiting which he is doing and I think he gets us there. Which is why I think the "we'll never be more than an 8 win program" mantra is wrong.
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
I know it's not your intent but it's disrespectful when you say "wow...I thought it was a bit lower". That line of thinking is just another example of how other fanbases prefer to keep viewing MSU as if it's still 2005. Dan Mullen makes $4.8 mill a year in Starkville, Mississippi which is about $6.5 mill worth in Knoxville (cost of living and shit). MSU took Dan off the table for everyone else with that salary.
Nobody bats an eye at dropping $50 mill unless they are Bill Gates. $50 mill is $50 mill.
MSU has been a better football program than Tennessee for almost a decade straight now. It isn't 1996 anymore when Fat Phil was clearly cheating his ass off to recruit nationally for Tennessee. He didn't share his cheating ways with the new coaches and about 5 other football programs started in Florida since then so Tennessee can't pluck those players away anymore like they used to be able to do back in the 90's. The aren't nearly the same national brand they still hang onto being back with Peyton as their QB. If Tennessee doesn't spend stupid money to grab Gruden or Kelly (and I am not sold Kelly will work either) they aren't going to get much better than their current level. Sooner or later they're just gonna have to face the fact that they are in a subpar talent level state and 15-25 other programs within their recruiting area have all improved significantly since 1996. Knoxville ain't Nashville.
Exactly.
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Originally Posted by
Commercecomet24
Les would be a step up. I don?t like butch at all but when he was hired he was considered on the rise. He won 4 conference championships(albeit 2 Mac and 2 big east) in 3 years at central Michigan and 3 years at Cincinnati. So it was considered a good hire at the time. And Dan has proven what he can do with even above average talent.
Tennessee needs to hire Iowa State's coach. He has ties to Ohio which is an area that they have historically recruited and he could probably get some good players from there. They'll screw if up again though.
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If I were UT, I throw the check book @
Originally Posted by
Todd4State
Tennessee needs to hire Iowa State's coach. He has ties to Ohio which is an area that they have historically recruited and he could probably get some good players from there. They'll screw if up again though.
1) Dino Babers (Syracuse)
2) Matt Campbell (ISU)
3) PJ Fleck (Minn)
4) Mike Norvell (mempho)
5) The Hat as a wild card.
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Originally Posted by
TUSK
It would be a step up from Butch....
Lots of folks on here are calling UT a "shit job"... and that may be (real time, factual), but lemme ask yall this:
If Dan Mullen (above average coach) had Top 15-20ish talent (like UT has), how would he do vs UT's '17 schedule?
I'll hang up, and listen.
He'd win 9-10 a year prolly.
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10-24-2017, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by
dawgday166
He'd win 9-10 a year prolly.
Exactly, and he’s already close to doing that at MSU and at TN he still has to play Bama every year.
TN is a good job. Just not good enough to leave MSU for.
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