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    Disregarding possible attrition, in 2018 we will have 14 scholarship WR/TE 6' 3"+

    7 of the 14 are wide receivers, while the other 7 are tight ends. I do think we could see one of the 7 WR as well as 1 of the 7 TE transfer, and their is a chance that Cam Gardner could play WR instead of TE, as well as Spivey playing TE rather than defense as I expect. Any way you slice it, we will have atleast 12 targets 6' 3" and taller, which is the most in ******* tenure by a large percent.

    WR:
    Jamal Couch (Jr.)- 6' 4" 227
    Reggie Todd (So.)- 6' 4" 204
    Austin Williams (Fr.)- 6' 3" 205
    Osirus Mitchell (So.)- 6' 4" 207
    Malik Heath (Fr.)- 6' 3" 205
    Stephen Guidry (Jr.)- 6' 4" 190
    Nathaniel Watson (Fr.)- 6' 3" 200

    TE:
    Christian Roberson (So.)- 6' 5" 241
    Justin Johnson (Sr.)- 6' 3" 247
    Farrod Green (Jr.)- 6' 3" 246
    Dontea Jones (So.)- 6' 4" 225
    Powers Warren (Fr.)- 6' 3" 235
    Brad Cumbest (Fr.)- 6' 5" 237
    Cam Gardner (Fr.)- 6' 4" 215


    Looking at just wide recievers, and excluding slot receivers, here is the average height and weight of receivers in each year of Mullen's tenure.

    2009: 6' 0.5" 189
    2010: 6' 0.4" 198
    2011: 6' 0.1" 196
    2012: 6' 0.3" 193
    2013: 6' 2.0" 206
    2014: 6' 1.9" 206
    2015: 6' 1.0" 200
    2016: 6' 1.8" 203
    2017: 6' 2.1" 207
    2018: 6' 3.4" 207


    Now, here is a list of the amount of WR/TE 6' 3"+ in each year of Mullen's tenure.

    2009: 3 (2 WR; 1 TE)
    2010: 1 (0 WR; 1 TE)
    2011: 2 (1 WR; 1 TE)
    2012: 3 (1 WR; 2 TE)
    2013: 4 (3 WR; 1 TE)
    2014: 4 (2 WR; 2 TE)
    2015: 5 (2 WR; 3 TE)
    2016: 7 (3 WR; 4 TE)
    2017: 10 (4 WR; 6 TE)
    2018: 14 (7 WR; 7 TE)


    Here is my take. Mullen prefers, or preferred, smaller/quicker wide receivers that can use their speed to spread the field and get separation from DB's. This worked at Florida and he planned on bringing this strategy into State. In his first class he signed Bumphis (5'10"), Brandon Heavens (5'10"), Ricco Sanders (5'10"), and Leon Berry (6'0"). Mullen more or less stuck with this strategy until about 2013-2015 when you see the average height and amount of tall receiving options begin to grow. I think 2014 showed him that we can not recruit receivers with elite speed, and when you recruit small guys with only good speed, you are just stuck with a bunch of small guys against the Bama's of the world, whose defensive speed gives our receivers no chance for separation.

    It is a heck of a lot easier to recruit elite height (6' 3"+) than elite speed (legit 4.4 40 time). So if we can't recruit elite speed, we might as well load up on guys that can use their height to get open. I think we will see the full effect of this change in strategy beginning next year as these young guys mature and get more experience. If the Bama's of the world are going to load the box and attempt to shut down our run, it's alot more effective to go to a 6' 4" guy in a 1 on 1 on the outside, than a 5' 11" guy with similar or less speed than the DB. Going deep down the sideline to our big targets will open the box up for the run more than any speed receiver we can get could do.

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    I agree and Watson could be a LB for us. And then Marcus Murphy could possibly get a look on offense as well- too soon to know where exactly.

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    Many of our RECRUITS are joining us in January 2018. As one told me he wanted to get a head start on everything.

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    I've been to every home game and watched every road game. It seems to me that our current 6'3" or better TE's have very few catches to date and have mostly been used as blockers. Still waiting on TE Thomas to be mismatched on a 5'10" DB in the end zone for a TD.

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    Not exactly the same - but it?s akin to Cohen seeing the change to small ball, adapting ahead of everyone, then having the rug pulled out from under him by the ball change. Resulted in a crap year and a roster overhaul but built a great base for moving forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    I agree and Watson could be a LB for us. And then Marcus Murphy could possibly get a look on offense as well- too soon to know where exactly.
    He will play safety. You can count on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeviousDawg34 View Post
    7 of the 14 are wide receivers, while the other 7 are tight ends. I do think we could see one of the 7 WR as well as 1 of the 7 TE transfer, and their is a chance that Cam Gardner could play WR instead of TE, as well as Spivey playing TE rather than defense as I expect. Any way you slice it, we will have atleast 12 targets 6' 3" and taller, which is the most in ******* tenure by a large percent.

    WR:
    Jamal Couch (Jr.)- 6' 4" 227
    Reggie Todd (So.)- 6' 4" 204
    Austin Williams (Fr.)- 6' 3" 205
    Osirus Mitchell (So.)- 6' 4" 207
    Malik Heath (Fr.)- 6' 3" 205
    Stephen Guidry (Jr.)- 6' 4" 190
    Nathaniel Watson (Fr.)- 6' 3" 200

    TE:
    Christian Roberson (So.)- 6' 5" 241
    Justin Johnson (Sr.)- 6' 3" 247
    Farrod Green (Jr.)- 6' 3" 246
    Dontea Jones (So.)- 6' 4" 225
    Powers Warren (Fr.)- 6' 3" 235
    Brad Cumbest (Fr.)- 6' 5" 237
    Cam Gardner (Fr.)- 6' 4" 215


    Looking at just wide recievers, and excluding slot receivers, here is the average height and weight of receivers in each year of Mullen's tenure.

    2009: 6' 0.5" 189
    2010: 6' 0.4" 198
    2011: 6' 0.1" 196
    2012: 6' 0.3" 193
    2013: 6' 2.0" 206
    2014: 6' 1.9" 206
    2015: 6' 1.0" 200
    2016: 6' 1.8" 203
    2017: 6' 2.1" 207
    2018: 6' 3.4" 207


    Now, here is a list of the amount of WR/TE 6' 3"+ in each year of Mullen's tenure.

    2009: 3 (2 WR; 1 TE)
    2010: 1 (0 WR; 1 TE)
    2011: 2 (1 WR; 1 TE)
    2012: 3 (1 WR; 2 TE)
    2013: 4 (3 WR; 1 TE)
    2014: 4 (2 WR; 2 TE)
    2015: 5 (2 WR; 3 TE)
    2016: 7 (3 WR; 4 TE)
    2017: 10 (4 WR; 6 TE)
    2018: 14 (7 WR; 7 TE)


    Here is my take. Mullen prefers, or preferred, smaller/quicker wide receivers that can use their speed to spread the field and get separation from DB's. This worked at Florida and he planned on bringing this strategy into State. In his first class he signed Bumphis (5'10"), Brandon Heavens (5'10"), Ricco Sanders (5'10"), and Leon Berry (6'0"). Mullen more or less stuck with this strategy until about 2013-2015 when you see the average height and amount of tall receiving options begin to grow. I think 2014 showed him that we can not recruit receivers with elite speed, and when you recruit small guys with only good speed, you are just stuck with a bunch of small guys against the Bama's of the world, whose defensive speed gives our receivers no chance for separation.

    It is a heck of a lot easier to recruit elite height (6' 3"+) than elite speed (legit 4.4 40 time). So if we can't recruit elite speed, we might as well load up on guys that can use their height to get open. I think we will see the full effect of this change in strategy beginning next year as these young guys mature and get more experience. If the Bama's of the world are going to load the box and attempt to shut down our run, it's alot more effective to go to a 6' 4" guy in a 1 on 1 on the outside, than a 5' 11" guy with similar or less speed than the DB. Going deep down the sideline to our big targets will open the box up for the run more than any speed receiver we can get could do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldendawg View Post
    I've been to every home game and watched every road game. It seems to me that our current 6'3" or better TE's have very few catches to date and have mostly been used as blockers. Still waiting on TE Thomas to be mismatched on a 5'10" DB in the end zone for a TD.
    I thought exactly the same thing. I figured if nothing else, Thomas would be used in the redzone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coursesuper View Post
    He will play safety. You can count on that.
    Why does everyone say that so matter of factly? He is electric with the ball in his hands.

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    I tried writing this exact same post calling it the Percy Harvin effect but you did it much better than me. Bravo!

    My only concern is how many of these guys are actually good enough to contribute consistently.
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