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    My opinion is Fitz is a good QB who didn't have his best day today. I love Key but I don't think he's ready yet. I think a lot of it honestly is just the fact that our team right now isn't as good as Dak's teams and hasn't had a special run yet. I think some of that is being deflected onto Fitz. And I say that not knowing how the rest of the year plays out- if we go on a run then things could certainly change.

    I think Fitz could really take off next year with better and bigger receivers, Dear, and an improved offensive line to go along with another offseason of development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    Faulk posted this on twitter -

    Bullshit stat

    Dakota's first 13 games were spent playing spot duty as Tyler Russell's back-up- and only got the job due to injury.

    Fitz only played in 6 games as Dak's back-up- from there he has been the starter
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    Love Robbie but that’s a horrible stat. Compare first ____ starts. Dak played in 14 games until he started and then started 7 games where he shared snaps with TR. Then he missed 11 consecutive quarters of football before playing the 4th vs OM and the bowl vs Rice. Comparing statistics of a starting QB vs a non starting QB is apples to oranges.

    Now the difference in Dak’s first full year as a starter vs Nick’s is that Dak was more experienced so Nick’s growing pains are more front and center. So still kind of apples to oranges.

    The stat I like to point to the most in passer rating because it won’t allow us to cherry pick numbers that shouldn’t be compared. Dak’s soph year where he played a lot he had a passer rating of 126 which is close to the same as Nick’s as a soph (124). Now here’s the difference: Dak’s next year he jumped above 150 and was above 150 again as a senior. Nick’s was 115 going in to BYU (he had a 139 today). I’ll let y’all sell me that Nick’s passer rating is marginally down due to WRs. That’s fair. That still means we’re not seeing that big jump.

    We need to stop comparing him to Dak and making excuses for what he’s not. I’m still holding out hope that we see that light come on at some point this year because next year is the year to make a big move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastMan View Post
    Love Robbie but that’s a horrible stat. Compare first ____ starts. Dak played in 14 games until he started and then started 7 games where he shared snaps with TR. Then he missed 11 consecutive quarters of football before playing the 4th vs OM and the bowl vs Rice. Comparing statistics of a starting QB vs a non starting QB is apples to oranges.

    Now the difference in Dak’s first full year as a starter vs Nick’s is that Dak was more experienced so Nick’s growing pains are more front and center. So still kind of apples to oranges.

    The stat I like to point to the most in passer rating because it won’t allow us to cherry pick numbers that shouldn’t be compared. Dak’s soph year where he played a lot he had a passer rating of 126 which is close to the same as Nick’s as a soph (124). Now here’s the difference: Dak’s next year he jumped above 150 and was above 150 again as a senior. Nick’s was 115 going in to BYU (he had a 139 today). I’ll let y’all sell me that Nick’s passer rating is marginally down due to WRs. That’s fair. That still means we’re not seeing that big jump.

    We need to stop comparing him to Dak and making excuses for what he’s not. I’m still holding out hope that we see that light come on at some point this year because next year is the year to make a big move.
    very good post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    Bullshit stat

    Dakota's first 13 games were spent playing spot duty as Tyler Russell's back-up- and only got the job due to injury.

    Fitz only played in 6 games as Dak's back-up- from there he has been the starter
    Next thing you know Robbie will call dak a check down Charlie

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Next thing you know Robbie will call dak a check down Charlie
    he should because he is
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastMan View Post
    Love Robbie but that?s a horrible stat. Compare first ____ starts. Dak played in 14 games until he started and then started 7 games where he shared snaps with TR. Then he missed 11 consecutive quarters of football before playing the 4th vs OM and the bowl vs Rice. Comparing statistics of a starting QB vs a non starting QB is apples to oranges.

    Now the difference in Dak?s first full year as a starter vs Nick?s is that Dak was more experienced so Nick?s growing pains are more front and center. So still kind of apples to oranges.

    The stat I like to point to the most in passer rating because it won?t allow us to cherry pick numbers that shouldn?t be compared. Dak?s soph year where he played a lot he had a passer rating of 126 which is close to the same as Nick?s as a soph (124). Now here?s the difference: Dak?s next year he jumped above 150 and was above 150 again as a senior. Nick?s was 115 going in to BYU (he had a 139 today). I?ll let y?all sell me that Nick?s passer rating is marginally down due to WRs. That?s fair. That still means we?re not seeing that big jump.

    We need to stop comparing him to Dak and making excuses for what he?s not. I?m still holding out hope that we see that light come on at some point this year because next year is the year to make a big move.
    Rep given.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    he should because he is
    Maybe it's Dan. I mean, chicks dig the checkdown before the Georgia game this year on Fitz's Twitter.

    Unfortunately chicks still dig the longball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    he should because he is
    Dak was #2 in sec in yds/attempt in 2014 and #3 in 2015

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    Beast - I get a lot of what you are saying, and a lot is right. But, I think what Robbie is trying to show is a legit comparison - where was Dak thru this point in his RJR year vs. where Fitz is at that same point. There are too many variables to look at in vs, number of starts because Fitz started more games as a Sophomore than Dak did. The flip of that is Dak got considerably more experience as a back up his Fr year than Fitz did. He?s not saying Fitz is better, or anything crazy. He?s simply saying the harsh criticism (the people calling for Key to start) are out of Line based on the actual stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Dak was #2 in sec in yds/attempt in 2014 and #3 in 2015
    Dak had 2 of the SEC's best WR's in the those seasons- they were great on their YAC

    Dak is not in the top half in the NFL on 20+ yard passing plays for his career
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    Beast - I get a lot of what you are saying, and a lot is right. But, I think what Robbie is trying to show is a legit comparison - where was Dak thru this point in his RJR year vs. where Fitz is at that same point. There are too many variables to look at in vs, number of starts because Fitz started more games as a Sophomore than Dak did. The flip of that is Dak got considerably more experience as a back up his Fr year than Fitz did. He?s not saying Fitz is better, or anything crazy. He?s simply saying the harsh criticism (the people calling for Key to start) are out of Line based on the actual stats.
    I don't get people wanting Key to start. I like him and I think he's going to be really good but watching him play this year I haven't seen anything from him that indicates that he would be a better option than Fitz. Heck to be honest Key would probably benefit from a redshirt year if possible next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    Faulk posted this on twitter -

    On worse teams than Dak had btw

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    That stat is nice and all but just watch them play and it's very easy to tell, from a passing stand point, that Fitz is not in Dak's league. It also doesn't matter that "Fitz was only a QB for a year in HS" or whatever. Sorry but that's a knock on his potential, not a valid excuse. All I can say is if we went into Fitz senior year with Holloway and Shumpert as our primary backs like Dak did, I'm not sure I'd want to watch when we play offense.

    Fitz is a pretty good player. He is what he is. Bottom line is you have to be able to throw the ball to beat the elite teams, and I don't think he will ever be that for us. Not a huge knock because Dak is the only QB we've ever had that even got close to doing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    Faulk posted this on twitter -

    I'll be the first to say. .... I've been overly critical of Fitz. Touch

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    Look. People don’t want Key to start. They just wish that Fitz would continue to show improvement in two areas, 1) accuracy and 2) decision making/reads. His best game IMO was against LSU and he had almost a perfect game in decision making and he put the ball where it needed to be. The last three games he has regressed quite a bit in those areas. In order to beat Kentucky and A&M in the next two games we need him closer to how he played vs LSU and not how he played the last three games. He can be a great QB for us but he has to improve in the areas I mention above. We also need Mullen to call a gameplan like he did against LSU where we call the full running play playbook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarketingBully View Post
    Look. People don?t want Key to start. They just wish that Fitz would continue to show improvement in two areas, 1) accuracy and 2) decision making/reads. His best game IMO was against LSU and he had almost a perfect game in decision making and he put the ball where it needed to be. The last three games he has regressed quite a bit in those areas. In order to beat Kentucky and A&M in the next two games we need him closer to how he played vs LSU and not how he played the last three games. He can be a great QB for us but he has to improve in the areas I mention above. We also need Mullen to call a gameplan like he did against LSU where we call the full running play playbook.
    All solid points. However, if there weren?t people saying it somewhere (stands, tailgates, Twitter, or message boards) I doubt Robbie would have taken the time to scratch out the comparison on his phone. That was his image of the stats, not mine.

    The craziest thing about this - is Dak is the only other MSU QB we can compare Fitz with because he he will pass everyone in school history. Let that sink in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastMan View Post
    Love Robbie but that’s a horrible stat. Compare first ____ starts. Dak played in 14 games until he started and then started 7 games where he shared snaps with TR. Then he missed 11 consecutive quarters of football before playing the 4th vs OM and the bowl vs Rice. Comparing statistics of a starting QB vs a non starting QB is apples to oranges.

    Now the difference in Dak’s first full year as a starter vs Nick’s is that Dak was more experienced so Nick’s growing pains are more front and center. So still kind of apples to oranges.

    The stat I like to point to the most in passer rating because it won’t allow us to cherry pick numbers that shouldn’t be compared. Dak’s soph year where he played a lot he had a passer rating of 126 which is close to the same as Nick’s as a soph (124). Now here’s the difference: Dak’s next year he jumped above 150 and was above 150 again as a senior. Nick’s was 115 going in to BYU (he had a 139 today). I’ll let y’all sell me that Nick’s passer rating is marginally down due to WRs. That’s fair. That still means we’re not seeing that big jump.

    We need to stop comparing him to Dak and making excuses for what he’s not. I’m still holding out hope that we see that light come on at some point this year because next year is the year to make a big move.
    Hammer meet nail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldendawg View Post
    Son and I sat through every play and have sunburned legs to prove it. Seems to me Dan is determined to make Fritz a pocket passer, (just like Dak's Sr year). Plays look like called QB runs or called hand offs to the RB. The big play, TD running machine that was Fitz the last part of last year running the read option is seldom seen. JMO, but the strongest part of Fitz's game is being held back. I think this is hurting our O, big time along with wide receiver problems. Thoughts?
    I think Dan is trying to limit the punishment Fitz takes so we don?t have to start a True Freshman at QB against SEC teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandawg View Post
    I think Dan is trying to limit the punishment Fitz takes so we don?t have to start a True Freshman at QB against SEC teams.
    I think that’s a real good, often overlooked point.

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