So yeah, Leach is terrible...

[preachermatt83]

No question. I doubt he'd leave Pullman for Starkville, but he'd be a home run hire for sure.

The beauty of his offense is that you don't need elite QB or WR recruits to run it. He had walkons pass for over 5,000 some of his years at Texas Tech.

Exactly!

[BrunswickDawg]

No.

Leach had 10 good seasons at Texas Tech, making bowls in all 10 seasons and finished ranked 5 times at a program with little history. He finished 5-15 against Texas and Oklahoma when both were outstanding programs, which is as good as any coach did in the 00s.

To compare his predecessor at Washington State to Croom is an insult to Croom. Wulff went 9-40 in 4 years and routinely lost by 50 or more points. Croom sucked, but Wulff was MUCH worse. Leach had Washington State in a bowl in year 2 (I guess you just didn't research enough to know that) and 9-4 by year 4. Looks like Leach is going to have Washington State consistently ranked going forward, like he built at Texas Tech.

He's no Saban, but he's easily a top 10 coach in America. Hopefully he stays in Pullman (where he's a great fit) and doesn't end up coaching LSU, Tennessee, or Florida soon.

No, I saw he got into a bowl at 6-6 in year 2 and lost. And as I always see here - do bowls really count any more when there are so many and you have 6-6 and 5-7 teams making it??? So going to bowls is no measuring stick it?s a must or you totally suck. You also ignored he followed up that ?winning? 6-7 season with 3-9.

He?s a very good coach - but I wouldn?t put him Top 10. I like him, I just don?t think he would do better than Dan in an SEC program and could wind up like Hal Mumme was at Kentucky (when Leach was his OC).

[Quaoarsking]

When you win 12 games over the past 5 seasons, making a bowl at 6-6, even if you lose the bowl, is a really big deal.

I didn't "ignore" the following season reverting back to 3-9, but that happens when your predecessor leaves you nothing and your QB breaks his leg midseason. They still managed to beat Kyle Whittingham's Utah team though, so they weren't completely awful.

And considering how they've been 9-4, 8-5, and currently 6-1 after that 3-9 injury-riddled bad year, it's safe it so say it wasn't indicative of how Leach runs his program.

[Hasu Dackds]

No, I saw he got into a bowl at 6-6 in year 2 and lost. And as I always see here - do bowls really count any more when there are so many and you have 6-6 and 5-7 teams making it??? So going to bowls is no measuring stick it?s a must or you totally suck. You also ignored he followed up that ?winning? 6-7 season with 3-9.

He?s a very good coach - but I wouldn?t put him Top 10. I like him, I just don?t think he would do better than Dan in an SEC program and could wind up like Hal Mumme was at Kentucky (when Leach was his OC).

Your thinking is flawed regarding coaches IMO. Ability to get talent is the biggest factor in college football. Lubbock, Pullman and Starkville severely limit that ability. Shouldn't, but unfortunately that's the perception.

If the big schools had any sense, the guys like Leach and Mullen who can consistently put out 7/8 win seasons at mediocre programs would be on their short list.