NCAA BB & FBI investigation plot thickens...

[The Federalist Engineer]

They get away with everything. The whole world knows this unless you are a suck ass liberal.

Not talking politics, just MSU. When I was a student the CIA and NSA came to campus to recruit. They had the entire Lee Hall auditorium packed with kids ready to go fight bad guys...

They made it clear they did not want any of the motivated kids. They wanted to talk about vacation days, work life balance, and roll-over vacation days. All the "Americans" in the room just looked at each other with acknowledgement they were listening to a bunch of soulless bureaucrats. Military service and multiple languages were NOT a plus

They wanted flabby, braindead, drones, that would obsess about vacation time and office dimensions.

This Happened! At Lee Hall at MSU in the 1990's

[dawgs]

Not talking politics, just MSU. When I was a student the CIA and NSA came to campus to recruit. They had the entire Lee Hall auditorium packed with kids ready to go fight bad guys...

They made it clear they did not want any of the motivated kids. They wanted to talk about vacation days, work life balance, and roll-over vacation days. All the "Americans" in the room just looked at each other with acknowledgement they were listening to a bunch of soulless bureaucrats. Military service and multiple languages were NOT a plus

They wanted flabby, braindead, drones, that would obsess about vacation time and office dimensions.

This Happened! At Lee Hall at MSU in the 1990's

Probably because they don?t want/need overly emotional types coming in trying to operate the CIA like a cowboy in an old west saloon. They want people who are smart, think before acting, and when they do act it?s calm, cool, and collected. Folks that show up ?to get bad guys? with their American flag shirt probably aren?t the type of agents they want running covert operations.

[BrunswickDawg]

Probably because they don?t want/need overly emotional types coming in trying to operate the CIA like a cowboy in an old west saloon. They want people who are smart, think before acting, and when they do act it?s calm, cool, and collected. Folks that show up ?to get bad guys? with their American flag shirt probably aren?t the type of agents they want running covert operations.

The majority of CIA and NSA positions are analysts. All they do is sort data, write algorithms, or produce reports. Who better than flabby, braindead drones. They leave the Spy vs. Spy stuff to the contractors.

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

IYOK...I guess we don't really know how many we can sign this year until we see if any jump to NBA or have any attrition, so how do we go about recruiting when we're in a situation like this? I think we have a couple open spots now, but I guess that could go to as many as 3,4 or 5 depending on how things shake out.

How do you recruit in this type situation when you have anywhere from say 2-5 spots that may or may not be there next summer? I know we can fill those spots later on in the process, but how do you keep 4-5 star types to stay interested in your program knowing a spot may not be there in the end?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

IYOK...I guess we don't really know how many we can sign this year until we see if any jump to NBA or have any attrition, so how do we go about recruiting when we're in a situation like this? I think we have a couple open spots now, but I guess that could go to as many as 3,4 or 5 depending on how things shake out.

How do you recruit in this type situation when you have anywhere from say 2-5 spots that may or may not be there next summer? I know we can fill those spots later on in the process, but how do you keep 4-5 star types to stay interested in your program knowing a spot may not be there in the end?

We have 2 open scholarships. We'll sign 3 guys because in all likelihood Lamar goes pro after this year. We will sign a 4th in the spring if we have someone transfer.

[AROB44]

Does everything have to turn into something political?

[lefty96]

Does everything have to turn into something political?

Boy, you sure sound like a liberal or a conservative.

[Bully13]

This really does suck for schools like us. Why is the FBI not going after the shoe companies? are they? to me, they are the ones that should be in the biggest trouble. not some asst coach who steers a player to a particular financial planner.

[Dolphus Raymond]

A thread discussing widespread corruption in college basketball morphs into a right-wing political rant. Incredible.

[CadaverDawg]

Ok I'll say what many reading are thinking....are we going to survive this FBI deal?

Yes, we have been signing studs with ties to MS, but I've spent the last 3+ years knowing OM was guilty as sin while several of theirs had ties (not all, but some). So I can't be hypocritical and say I'm not a little nervous about it.

[Political Hack]

Ok I'll say what many reading are thinking....are we going to survive this FBI deal?

Yes, we have been signing studs with ties to MS, but I've spent the last 3+ years knowing OM was guilty as sin while several of theirs had ties (not all, but some). So I can't be hypocritical and say I'm not a little nervous about it.

I think that's fair. Anyone who has recruited well as of late should be nervous. That's my general impression. I also think the NCAA should be nervous. This might be their end as well.

[CadaverDawg]

I think that's fair. Anyone who has recruited well as of late should be nervous. That's my general impression. I also think the NCAA should be nervous. This might be their end as well.

Good point. Also, I would think a team that hasn't won shit in hoops in years wouldn't be a high priority. Maybe our recent suckage will actually help us for once

[MarketingBully]

Ok I'll say what many reading are thinking....are we going to survive this FBI deal?

Yes, we have been signing studs with ties to MS, but I've spent the last 3+ years knowing OM was guilty as sin while several of theirs had ties (not all, but some). So I can't be hypocritical and say I'm not a little nervous about it.

There is a huge hell of a difference between how our compliance department and their compliance department operates.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I'm not really nervous. Not that i won't feel better when it's over & we're still good. I know the staff & admin aren't worried right now. I'll also say that if we couldn't pull the big name recruits we signed without our "in house" recruiting we deserved to get popped. None of the guys we've signed we needed Adidas help or were those potential 1 & done type guys except for Malik. And again if we needed someone outside of the MSU "umbrella" to sign Malik we deserve what we get.

[MarketingBully]

I'm not really nervous. Not that i won't feel better when it's over & we're still good. I know the staff & admin aren't worried right now. I'll also say that if we couldn't pull the big name recruits we signed without our "in house" recruiting we deserved to get popped. None of the guys we've signed we needed Adidas help or were those potential 1 & done type guys except for Malik. And again if we needed someone outside of the MSU "umbrella" to sign Malik we deserve what we get.

Agreed. And with the hypersensitivity of our compliance department, I’d say we are in about as great a shape as any of the other schools that weren’t named in this mess.

[Bully13]

I just read one of the arrests was an Addidas exec. good. to me, they are the problem. if a player signs with you because he got paid by Addidas, what did the school do wrong? I'm sure they know what's up, but what did the school specifically do wrong in a case like that? the coaches that got arrested, were they not all due to steering players to financial advisers for "finder fees"?

Now if the coach was in contact with Addidas being informed of what Addidas was going to do, then that's a different story. So what if any of the players involved with getting paid by Addidas are still on college rosters? wouldn't they be ineligible?

[dawgs]

I just read one of the arrests was an Addidas exec. good. to me, they are the problem. if a player signs with you because he got paid by Addidas, what did the school do wrong? I'm sure they know what's up, but what did the school specifically do wrong in a case like that? the coaches that got arrested, were they not all due to steering players to financial advisers for "finder fees"?

Now if the coach was in contact with Addidas being informed of what Addidas was going to do, then that's a different story. So what if any of the players involved with getting paid by Addidas are still on college rosters? wouldn't they be ineligible?

By your logic schools shouldn’t get in trouble when agents or boosters are the ones providing benefits but they clearly do and should.

As for “finder’s fees”, the problem probably arises in the roles that the coaches are playing in steering kids to certain advisers. Also, the coaches are being paid up front (and then funneling some of that money to the players) to direct players to certain advisers, not paid after the fact for steering a player to a certain adviser. So it’s not actually a finder’s fee and is more of a “use your influence in an 18 year old’s life to try to get him to sign with me” fee. And in financial situations, I’m not sure what is a legal or illegal finder’s fee. I’m sure someone could dig through the laws, but I’m guessing if the fbi is making arrests, they have violated (or potentially violated) laws regarding finding fees and financial advisers.

[MCsMGs]

The laws that are likely to be broken in these cases are SEC laws regarding who and how a financial advisor can be compensated. And I'm not talking about the Southeastern Conference, but the Securities and Exchange Commission. Those are Federal laws and would explain why the FBI could/would get involved.