If You Were A Top QB Prospect, Would You Consider Bama?

[Token Bammer]

Spin. We didn't want him anyway. Saban ABSOLUTELY offered him. This is an objective fact.

Since when did Saban have issues with having players on the team with problems as long as they have talent? Cam Robinson had illegal guns in Louisiana and Saban didn't kick him off. Tim Williams failed 3 drug tests while at Bama, and he wasn't kicked off. I'll give you one guess as to how many seconds he missed and I'll give you one hint: Not one second. You need me to name more?

Saban had Jonathan Taylor on the team AFTER he had been arrested for domestic abuse and then Taylor got arrested AGAIN. Why would Saban put up with DOMESTIC ABUSE but not Daddy issues? He also kept Courtney Upshaw.

Stop the spin.

Saban would have ABSOLUTELY taken him (and that's why he offered).

I never said Saban didn't offer. I clearly said THE reason for Winston going to FSU was because his father wanted him to.

However, Saban and staff did reach a point with his father (who was very difficult to deal with and was sort of a handler) that it didn't hurt their feelings to see him go.

Saban has always given players second chances and he has openly explained why several times. A player and his father being a constant headache isn't something he cares for. Sure, he takes players with issues. Every coach does. However, if players don't adapt to Saban he doesn't adapt to them. It's his way or the highway. As he told Julio Jones to his face, "we will win with you, or we will win without you".

Anyhow, I think CNS did reasonably well without Winston.

[TUSK]

Anyhow, I think CNS did reasonably well without Winston.

I'd say he did "aight"....

[MSUDAWGFAN]

I'd say he did "aight"....

Sure he did, but I may have missed the part where this was about Saban's teams. If I did, I apologize. Saban will average a NC every 2-3 years. That's mighty impressive. But I thought it was about the QBs. And if I'm right on being about the QBs, how is the NFL career going for the QBs that were there during Winston's FSU career? Was it Sims and Coker? How many yards did they pass for last year? What was their QB rating this last year?

You can yawn, call me triggered, say I'm not objective, make up "facts" or whatever you want, but it doesn't change the fact that the OP was dead on that no high profile QB should go to Bama if their goal is to make the NFL. And I have laid out a very objective case as to why.

On a different note: do you think Saban is "clean" in his recruiting?

Full transparecy: I believe everyone is cheating, including us. And whether he is or not, it doesn't diminsh the accomplishments he has made, at least in my mind.

[Token Bammer]

I'm still trying to figure out who said Saban didn't want Winston.....

[TUSK]

1)And if I'm right on being about the QBs, how is the NFL career going for the QBs that were there during Winston's FSU career? Was it Sims and Coker?
2)How many yards did they pass for last year? What was their QB rating this last year?

1) It was Sims and he had a shot in the CFL.... not sure if he's still playing...
2) More than Winston.
3) Higher than Winston's.

[MSUDAWGFAN]

1) It was Sims and he had a shot in the CFL.... not sure if he's still playing...
2) More than Winston.
3) Higher than Winston's.

There you go, just making stuff up like other posters. Just stop. It doesn't help your case.

[TUSK]

There you go, just making stuff up like other posters. Just stop. It doesn't help your case.

Your interrogatives were as follows:

1) How is the NFL career going for the QBs that were there during Winston's FSU career? Was it Sims and Coker?
Answer: "It was Sims (2014) and he had a shot in the CFL.... not sure if he's still playing..." (Winston's and Sims's last year was 2014)

2) How many yards did they pass for last year?
Answer: 2014 Yards/Attempt: Sims 8.9; Winston 8.5

3) What was their QB rating this last year?
Answer: 2014 Passer Rtg: Sims ~158; Winston ~146

Added Bonus Stats from their last year (2014):
Completion %: Sims ~65%; Winston ~65%
TDs: Sims 28; Winston 25
INTs: Sims 10; Winston 18 (congrats, your guy won a category)

and Winston threw the ball a lot more than Sims, too... in addition to stealing crab legs and being a misogynist...

I'm not saying that Sims is an NFL QB, he's not... neither is Hurts... nor was Coker, Wilson or Mac... Hell, AJ McCarron barely is...

But to say that Winston was a "(stats wise) better QB than Sims in their last year of college football" is inaccurate, at best... at worst, it's a "lie"....

[MSUDAWGFAN]

Your interrogatives were as follows:

1) How is the NFL career going for the QBs that were there during Winston's FSU career? Was it Sims and Coker?
Answer: "It was Sims (2014) and he had a shot in the CFL.... not sure if he's still playing..." (Winston's and Sims's last year was 2014)

2) How many yards did they pass for last year?
Answer: 2014 Yards/Attempt: Sims 8.9; Winston 8.5

3) What was their QB rating this last year?
Answer: 2014 Passer Rtg: Sims ~158; Winston ~146

Added Bonus Stats from their last year (2014):
Completion %: Sims ~65%; Winston ~65%
TDs: Sims 28; Winston 25
INTs: Sims 10; Winston 18 (congrats, your guy won a category)

and Winston threw the ball a lot more than Sims, too... in addition to stealing crab legs and being a misogynist...

I'm not saying that Sims is an NFL QB, he's not... neither is Hurts... nor was Coker, Wilson or Mac... Hell, AJ McCarron barely is...

But to say that Winston was a "(stats wise) better QB than Sims in their last year of college football" is inaccurate, at best... at worst, it's a "lie"....

That's a misunderstanding at best and a lie at worst. I didn't ask what their stats were in THEIR last year OF CFB. I asked what it was last year (it's 2017 so by simple math - 2017 - 1 = 2016). Sims was listed as a FA RB and had zero yards. Winston had more than zero. I can post them if you like.