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Woolly Thread - There Appears to Be Disconnect with MSU's Football Team
This was the conversation on the B&B show this morning & I found it intriguing.
A few days ago Barrett Sallee was interviewing Booger McFarland about Nick Fitzgerald & Booger made the following statements.
- Fitz will be top 2 to 3 QB in SEC
- Fitz will rush for 1,000 yards (rushed for 1,375 last year)
- Fitz will have 3,500 passing yards (Passed for 2,423 yards last year. I think 3,500 is too much. Will probably be around 2,700 - 3,000)
- Fitz will have 40 to 50 TDs (Last year Fitz had 21 pass TDs & 16 rush TDs for total of 37 TD)
- MSU will be a 6-6 to 7-5 team
Now here is where things get exciting:
MSU lost 4 games in 2016 by 7 points or less. I realize the schedule is more difficult this season, but, unless MSU's defense is dramatically worse in 2017 than 2016 or we have massive amounts of injuries, it's virtually impossible for Fitz to put up numbers similar to what Booger said & only win 6 or 7 games. If Fitz puts up those type of numbers we are likely at least an 8 win team.
We saw a similar situation a few years ago when Dak was named 1st team all-SEC preseason QB but MSU was picked last. It didn't add up then & it doesn't add up now.
"I haven't spent much time studying Fitzgerald, but his name has come up several times in my conversations with NFL scouts. In fact, every single one of them told me the Mississippi State signal caller is the best quarterback in the SEC. He posted impressive rushing numbers last fall and has prototypical size/athleticism. He's improving as a passer and scouts believe he has a very high ceiling in that department. I'm anxious to dig in and study his play this fall. Fitzgerald could be the breakout star in the SEC, if not the entire country."
Last edited by ShotgunDawg; 08-22-2017 at 04:11 PM.
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Originally Posted by
smootness
Who is that quote from?
I assumed it was Nick, himself, talking in 3rd person, obviously...**
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Originally Posted by
BeardoMSU
I assumed it was Nick, himself, talking in 3rd person, obviously...**
Now that's funny. I don't care who you are.
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Originally Posted by
smootness
Who is that quote from?
I said it on another board**
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Last edited by BrunswickDawg; 08-22-2017 at 04:47 PM.
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Originally Posted by
ShotgunDawg
This was the conversation on the B&B show this morning & I found it intriguing.
A few days ago Barrett Sallee was interviewing Booger McFarland about Nick Fitzgerald & Booger made the following statements.
- Fitz will be top 2 to 3 QB in SEC
- Fitz will rush for 1,000 yards (rushed for 1,375 last year)
- Fitz will have 3,500 passing yards (Passed for 2,423 yards last year. I think 3,500 is too much. Will probably be around 2,700 - 3,000)
- Fitz will have 40 to 50 TDs (Last year Fitz had 21 pass TDs & 16 rush TDs for total of 37 TD)
- MSU will be a 6-6 to 7-5 team
Now here is where things get exciting:
MSU lost 4 games in 2016 by 7 points or less. I realize the schedule is more difficult this season, but, unless MSU's defense is dramatically worse in 2017 than 2016 or we have massive amounts of injuries, it's virtually impossible for Fitz to put up numbers similar to what Booger said & only win 6 or 7 games. If Fitz puts up those type of numbers we are likely at least an 8 win team.
We saw a similar situation a few years ago when Dak was named 1st team all-SEC preseason QB but MSU was picked last. It didn't add up then & it doesn't add up now.
"I haven't spent much time studying Fitzgerald, but his name has come up several times in my conversations with NFL scouts. In fact, every single one of them told me the Mississippi State signal caller is the best quarterback in the SEC. He posted impressive rushing numbers last fall and has prototypical size/athleticism. He's improving as a passer and scouts believe he has a very high ceiling in that department. I'm anxious to dig in and study his play this fall. Fitzgerald could be the breakout star in the SEC, if not the entire country."
I would temper the passing expectations a tad but other than that I think the rest is possible. I agree, I think he will be closer to the 2,700 yd mark. If he rushes for 1k and throws for over 3k I think we definitely win 8 games with an outside shot at 9 or 10. Those would be some insane numbers for this league. I am not sure he has the tools around him to get in the 3500 yd ballpark.
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Originally Posted by
BB30
I would temper the passing expectations a tad but other than that I think the rest is possible. I agree, I think he will be closer to the 2,700 yd mark. If he rushes for 1k and throws for over 3k I think we definitely win 8 games with an outside shot at 9 or 10. Those would be some insane numbers for this league. I am not sure he has the tools around him to get in the 3500 yd ballpark.
This is a good statement. He will need some legitimate outside targets to develop in game 1 and 2 or those passing numbers will be much lower. Also, he had better pass waaaaaaaaay better than he did in the Spring Game.
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Yes, there is disconnect but there is also disconnect amongst our own fan base. How quickly some us forgot how easily we could have won 8 games last year with a shit defense and first year starting Soph QB.
If our defense marginally improves and Fitz has only 75% the jump Dak had from Soph to Jr seasons, we should expect nothing less than 8 wins. Fitz at end of Soph year was leaps and bounds ahead of Dak after liberty bowl. Just based on QB development under Mullen dating back to MiniLee and Ralph, why would anyone expect anything less than the improvements we have seen under previous QB's. Plus this year we aren't splitting 1st team reps into late September.
Just as with every other year, people look for more reasons to say we will suck than look at the best QB on the SEC on our roster. Barring a rash of injuries, I see no reason we should not win 7 minimum and will have at minimum 50-/59 chance in all games but Bama and Auburn.
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Originally Posted by
RougeDawg
Yes, there is disconnect but there is also disconnect amongst our own fan base. How quickly some us forgot how easily we could have won 8 games last year with a shit defense and first year starting Soph QB.
If our defense marginally improves and Fitz has only 75% the jump Dak had from Soph to Jr seasons, we should expect nothing less than 8 wins. Fitz at end of Soph year was leaps and bounds ahead of Dak after liberty bowl. Just based on QB development under Mullen dating back to MiniLee and Ralph, why would anyone expect anything less than the improvements we have seen under previous QB's. Plus this year we aren't splitting 1st team reps into late September.
Just as with every other year, people look for more reasons to say we will suck than look at the best QB on the SEC on our roster. Barring a rash of injuries, I see no reason we should not win 7 minimum and will have at minimum 50-/59 chance in all games but Bama and Auburn.
We will beat Auburn. Maltzahn can't coach a qb how to poor piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. Stiedham is going to flop hard, like every other Maltzahn QB
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Originally Posted by
Mobile Bay
We will beat Auburn. Maltzahn can't coach a qb how to poor piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. Stiedham is going to flop hard, like every other Maltzahn QB
Stidham may be a good QB by our game with AU. But I kinda see Clemson giving everyone the plan on stopping him early on. AU will have a solid D so I look for our game to be low scoring. It may come down to a field goal...yikes!!
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Originally Posted by
Mobile Bay
We will beat Auburn. Maltzahn can't coach a qb how to poor piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. Stiedham is going to flop hard, like every other Maltzahn QB
I think the general thought is that Malzahn doesn't have to develop Stidham--Art Briles did that for him.
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Senior Member
Originally Posted by
Mobile Bay
We will beat Auburn. Maltzahn can't coach a qb how to poor piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. Stiedham is going to flop hard, like every other Maltzahn QB
Cam Newton and Nick Marshall disagree. Mike Henig could QB this Auburn team to 8 wins. Stidham wins at least 10 games
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Originally Posted by
RougeDawg
Yes, there is disconnect but there is also disconnect amongst our own fan base. How quickly some us forgot how easily we could have won 8 games last year with a shit defense and first year starting Soph QB.
If our defense marginally improves and Fitz has only 75% the jump Dak had from Soph to Jr seasons, we should expect nothing less than 8 wins. Fitz at end of Soph year was leaps and bounds ahead of Dak after liberty bowl. Just based on QB development under Mullen dating back to MiniLee and Ralph, why would anyone expect anything less than the improvements we have seen under previous QB's. Plus this year we aren't splitting 1st team reps into late September.
Just as with every other year, people look for more reasons to say we will suck than look at the best QB on the SEC on our roster. Barring a rash of injuries, I see no reason we should not win 7 minimum and will have at minimum 50-/59 chance in all games but Bama and Auburn.
??? I may have watched the wrong game last year, but that was MSU playing Miami of Ohio in a bowl game last year? Right?
Fitz is a beast, and I have high expectations for him, but I don't think he is wear Dak was at this point. I think he was actually ahead of him but has simply not progressed as quickly, which most QBs are not going to see the kind of imporvement Dak did.
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Fitz passes for 3.5K, rushes for 1K & has 40-50 tds and NO WAY MSU doesn't win at least 10 games. *
*(small 'if' .. D has to be somewhat improved)
Coach34 .. "We're not hiring the ****ing Pirate at Miss State. GTFO"
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Originally Posted by
BiscuitEater
Fitz passes for 3.5K, rushes for 1K & has 40-50 tds and NO WAY MSU doesn't win at least 10 games. *
*(small 'if' .. D has to be somewhat improved)
...and he'd being in NYC at the end of the year too...
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Originally Posted by
BeardoMSU
...and he'd being in NYC at the end of the year too...
Giants should be about ready for a new QB?
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I'm not going to put unrealistic expectations on Fitz. People forget than when we were pass first with Holloway at RB, he was horrible throwing the ball. Incredibly inconsistent & unsure. When Mullen started running Aeris and using Fitz in the running game, it opened up passing lanes for Fitz which made him a more effective thrower. Basically, playing to his strengths made him an effective passer. Fitz has a long long long way to go to reach Dak's senior year passing effectiveness and skill level. What I'm not going to assume is that it's a given Fitz makes the same jumps Dak made going in to his junior and senior years. Mullen's record as a developer certainly says it's possible but I'm not putting my expectation on Fitz that he's as driven as Dak who took over the NFL as a rookie. Dak's passing completion % went 58, 61, 66. Dak's td/int ratio went 10/7, 27/11, 29/5. Fitz was 54% and 21/10. The stat I'm going to watch to quantify Fitz's progression as a QB to Dak's will be completion % against ranked opponents. Dak's jr year it was 59%. Fitz's was 42% last year. If we see Fitz jump in to Dak's realm in that statistic, I'll be prepared to put a high level of expectations on him.
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If Fitz accounts for 50 TD, then we're scoring 40 pts a game as others like Aries and the RBs will give another 10 TDs not counting any defensive scores or kick & punt returns for scores. If we are scoring 40 puts a game, we will again be one of the biggest surprises in the nation and pushing 9-10 wins.
If Fitz accounts for 50 TD, then he's in a Heisman finalist in early December.
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If at least
Donald Gray = Chad Bumphis
+ Keith Mixon = Michael Carr
+ Jordan Thomas = Malcolm Johnson
+ Aeris Williams = Vick Ballard
Then Mullen will produce offense.
Can Grantham's Defense = Diaz or Collin's ?
I don't see anything that isn't possible or able to be be exceeded.
Death penalty or bust!!!***
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