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    As much as Rosebowl has been right in this investigation, he shit the bed on this. He has assured everyone that LL would not be called on to testify at this hearing. This is an article from Godfrey though so it could be BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RC3 View Post
    dont click the link if you don't wanna..not sure if we are prohibited from linking sbnation stuff

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    Not worried...https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ions/97658116/

    Though the NCAA has no subpoena power to compel people outside of its jurisdiction to help investigations, coaches and athletes are bound by rule to speak with the enforcement staff and risk significant penalties for not telling the truth. Duncan said offering immunity is particularly helpful with athletes who might be fearful that they would incriminate themselves in violations.

    ?Our desire is never to focus on student-athlete culpability,? Duncan said. ?In enforcement, our broader desire is to zero in and focus on the adult culpability, the grown-ups who are involved in violations, and one way to substantiate information or to get refuting information is to talk to the student-athletes or prospective student-athletes, particularly in our focus areas of recruiting and academic integrity.

    ?It is effective to help encourage that young man or young woman to cooperate with us if he or she knows they?ll be eligible to play and won?t be cited for a violation of the infractions process.?


    Duncan cautioned, however, that the NCAA enforcement staff doesn?t ?have a pad of paper with immunity on it we can pass out to kids? and can?t, by rule, use it as a fishing expedition to look for violations. In fact, any immunity offer must first be approved by the NCAA Committee on Infractions chairman based on a specific request by enforcement.

    ?We have to make a case to them for why each individual ? occasionally it's grown-ups ? should get immunity, how it will affect the investigation and why it?s needed,? Duncan said. ?Then we take that and share it with the young man or young woman and their lawyer. Is it effective? We believe we get credible information in exchange for immunity in most cases, but we always have to be discerning consumers of information. Whether it?s in exchange for immunity or not, we always test the information we get.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarius View Post
    As much as Rosebowl has been right in this investigation, he shit the bed on this. He has assured everyone that LL would not be called on to testify at this hearing. This is an article from Godfrey though so it could be BS.
    You have to give a lot people a pass on missing that. There is Bylaw that actually states that they do not call witnesses to the COI hearing. Going by that bylaw, which most have, he was right. But as an immunity witness, there is second guideline that states that an immunity witness can be requested to appear. Many did not know or missed that secondary point that's not as well known.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarketingBully View Post
    I don't understand this strategy. Why not just admit you did it and move on. Why do all of this bullshit? Do they think this is going to work? This strategy might result in an extra bowl ban and a steep loss of scholarships. Trying this by using the media in the realm of public opinion is going to backfire. They did it. They aren't getting railroaded. If I was Lewis, I'd go and answer the panel's questions if in fact the COI did ask him to be there. This to me is unprecedented that a university is using these tactics to reduce their possible infractions even though they did them. Freeze has been uncovered to be a big time hypocrite and liar. He was their main witness and he now has been discredited. It's just a whole bunch of bullshit if you ask me. Dumb as hell.
    If they keep leaking student names someone is going to jail.

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    As some have stated, this is not a court of law. More like a Congressional hearing as I understand it. The NCAA will only be asking questions they have the answer to already. Unm should not get a chance to "cross examine". I imagine the NCAA wants to put this in the record so unm won't have any justification to complain, which they will anyway and the Mississippi press sheep will go with their story line, but that's another thread.

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    Having him sit there and tell the COI in person how Ole Miss boosters paid him is not a good thing for Ole Miss. they're seriously dumb as hell. This is an awful, awful game plan. They can't get out of their own way. It's hysterical. When you think they can't make this any worse, they go out and pull another dumb arse trump card that's more likely to backfire than help them.

    The best thing they could've done is put doubt in the COI's mind. With Leo sitting in front of them, they're going to hear first hand information about how Ole Miss cheated. Maybe OM is truly going scortched earth and wants the COI to ask about State's recruitment of him since they know they're going to fry??? That's the only possible angle here because having him there to testify against OM, and explain how an OM booster is now suing him, isn't going to end well for OM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RC3 View Post
    dont click the link if you don't wanna..not sure if we are prohibited from linking sbnation stuff

    https://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...ippi-state-sec
    And this was suppose to be a huge bomb?? LMAO!!!
    Whistleblower exposes: (FISA), Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts, 156 other judges, members of Congress, and Donald J. Trump were targeted by the HAMMER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RC3 View Post
    dont click the link if you don't wanna..not sure if we are prohibited from linking sbnation stuff

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    Here's how it will go down:

    LL in front of COI committee, no OM people present....
    COI: "Mr. Lewis, did you tell the truth in your earlier statements to the NCAA?"
    LL: "Yes, sir."
    COI: "You may go."
    LL walks out and smiles at the OM team as they walk in.

    OM team presents its case...
    OM:"We demand under section xxx that we cross-examine Mr. LL!"
    COI: "Demand denied."
    OM: "We'll see you in court! You'll rue the day!"
    (COI chairman frowns, then crosses out 3 bowl ban years and writes in 4.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commercecomet24 View Post
    Exactly! Since the NCAA has apparently rejected unm response to the NOA's "in full" it's obvious they don't believe Leo is lying or inconsistent or any of the other gaziliion SA's that have given evidence for that matter.
    to me , the NCAA'S "rejection in full" of ole miss' response tells me all I need to know on this. good point commerce.

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    I personally cannot wait for the Egg Bowl. Lewis is going to murder someone on the football field. As stated, the NCAA is just going to use this as the final nail in the coffin. Have him there, answer the questions and move on.

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    is Jones going also? Will they presumably have their legal representation also present, given that I would assume any testimony is discoverable in the other legal issues? Who else would be present in such a situation, Bracky? an MSU lawyer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MedDawg View Post
    Here's how it will go down:

    LL in front of COI committee, no OM people present....
    COI: "Mr. Lewis, did you tell the truth in your earlier statements to the NCAA?"
    LL: "Yes, sir."
    COI: "Is there anything that you would like to add or subtract from your previous statements."
    LL: "No, I told it all but now the store I got the close from is trying to sue me and Kobe. Also someone leaked my name all over the Internet."
    COI: "We've heard. Thank you. You may go."

    LL walks out and smiles at the OM team as they walk in.

    OM team presents its case...
    OM:"We demand under section xxx that we cross-examine Mr. LL!"
    COI: "Hugh Freeze was XXX and he was escorted off your campus I hear.Demand denied."
    OM: "We'll see you in court! You'll rue the day!"
    (COI chairman frowns, then crosses out 3 bowl ban years and writes in 4.)
    Seriously I work for an organization that will often hear the absurd complaints of the obviously guilty just so that they have on record that they didn't ignore their petition. OM has hung it's hat on "Leo lied" so the NCAA will call him in and ask him again. When it's over the OM fanbase will still believe a huge conspiracy to take them down but the public will see that the NCAA reviewed everything before dropping the hammer. And there will be a hammer.
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    When the COI ask "are you telling the truth?" and LL says "yes," the next question will be: "did an Ole Miss booster #X file a law suit against you and try to force you to recant your story?" And again, the answer will be "yes."

    "Mr. investigator, do you believe Mr. Lewis's testimony to be credible?"

    "Yes, and we have corroborated the details of his testimony with the testimony of nearly a dozen other witnesses."

    "ok, thank you for coming to Indy Mr. Lewis."

    ETA: him having to appear may actually push the hearing until after the season. That's the only possible benefit I see for OM in this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Really Clark? View Post
    You have to give a lot people a pass on missing that. There is Bylaw that actually states that they do not call witnesses to the COI hearing. Going by that bylaw, which most have, he was right. But as an immunity witness, there is second guideline that states that an immunity witness can be requested to appear. Many did not know or missed that secondary point that's not as well known.
    Which is why I made the important distinction between being summoned (as a witness to testify and be cross examined) and being requested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggun View Post
    He has no choice but to go. If he doesn't go then his limited immunity will be pulled and he will quickly be ruled ineligible.
    The distinction bt summoned and requested is more about his purpose and role there, not about whether he has to go or not.

    The bylaws state witnesses are not summoned to give testimony. His only role, during the investigative process and in front of COI, is as a limited immunity witness providing corroborating information.

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    Clearly the NCAA has had a change of heart. Their goal now is to undo all their findings from the last half decade and give credence to a last gasp Ole Miss fantasy. OM's Perry Mason moment is only weeks away... across the board vindication, with Mullen and Rosebowl sharing a cell by New Year's Day.

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    I'm absolutely positive the NCAA is requesting LL to be there so they can unmask him and the evil emperor Dan as conspirators In A scheme to destroy unm. Yes they are calling him there so they can throw away years of investigative work and millions of dollars of NCAA money. Yes that's the reasons and the bears will be completely exonerated and we will get the death penalty. Yeah that sounds logical and rational*****

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    Shouldn't the other 48 SA's get a free trip to Indy? I wouldn't want it to look like MSU was getting special treatment.

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    Who leaked the email to SBNation?
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