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    Why do the OM twitter warriors "know" LL or anyone else lied?

    I may not be as up-to-date on the NCAA case, but I have noticed that anytime you see a rebal landbearshark mention the case, it seems like it's a 100% certainty that LL lied during his interviews. What did I miss- how did they ALL lock in step with such confidence? I don't believe it, but I am curious as to why they are all so sure.

    And I apologize if this is covered elsewhere.

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    Because Xancy said so and he is never wrong! *******

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    Especially when most of them just found out there is a NCAA case! Now they have all the facts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawggoneit View Post
    Especially when most of them just found out there is a NCAA case! Now they have all the facts?
    If he lied, it was about how much he got from them. Meaning how much he failed to mention.

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    I just got in from a bar session with a bear. He's regurgitating the same thing. That LL lied and that his immunity with the NCAA is for himself....not State. Says he will have to come clean in court on what he got from State and that the NCAA will use that against us. Says if they go down......they will bring us down too. I had to just get out of there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DawgHouseUnited View Post
    I may not be as up-to-date on the NCAA case, but I have noticed that anytime you see a rebal landbearshark mention the case, it seems like it's a 100% certainty that LL lied during his interviews. What did I miss- how did they ALL lock in step with such confidence? I don't believe it, but I am curious as to why they are all so sure.

    And I apologize if this is covered elsewhere.


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    These are the same ones who were saying nothing to see hear two years ago.

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    Supposedly, they say Lewis changed his story too many times. Not like he pegged said booster down to the clothes he was wearing and the car he drives or anything.......

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    Evidently the story 18 players told the NCAA was that they got free stuff from rebel rags. The details are the issue.


    18 recruits stated that they got what they wanted, and took it up front, the people at rebel rags removed tags and sensors (theft sensors) from items. Rebel Rags now claims that not true and that their products do not have sensors.
    Whistleblower exposes: (FISA), Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts, 156 other judges, members of Congress, and Donald J. Trump were targeted by the HAMMER.

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    Dear Bear lurkers. And Yanex. Go ask any of your players to recall specifics from a recruiting trip 2 or 3 years ago. Then ask them again in a few months. And again a few months later. Bet you get 3 variations of the same story. Details will be mixed up, but the same major part is the same. 17 and 18 year old kids who are being recruited and courted, (no pun intended to your escort service), by D1 schools are not thinking clearly. They are full of themselves. They don't process memories in logical orders. They fill in the details with what they think happened or mix it up from another instance.

    Eye witness testimony in court is always jacked up if you have several people witness the same event, say for instance, a car wreck. Everyone would say the car wrecked. That's the big event. They would all probably even be able to tell you if it was a single car crash or a 20 car pile up. Big detail. Talk to them 3 times and you'd probably get 3 different answers on what color the cars were. What order who hit who in. How many trucks were involved. What was written on the side of the truck. Small details. And if they had seen 2 wrecks within a few days of each other and the other had a zebra striped truck involved, the next time they tell the story there may be a zebra striped truck in the first wreck. With writing on the side. Small details that get mixed up.

    Take off the flimflam glasses. Leo was recruited by the big boys. Let's assume he likely got free memorabilia at multiple school specific stores, including yours. The changes in his story is easily attributable to mixing up the details. But he would probably remember the name if asked. I may concede that he and Kobe made it up and colluded if it weren't for good ole Step daddy Miller. The NCAA isnt interested if LL thought he remembered security tags when none existed. They proved a system was in place to provide PSA with impermissible gifts from RR.

    Read my previous post. This isn't LL's fault. It was a series of unfortunate events. Nothing has changed my theory of how the wheels fell off and got you guys into this position. It's your own fault. Sorry not sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DawgHouseUnited View Post
    I may not be as up-to-date on the NCAA case, but I have noticed that anytime you see a rebal landbearshark mention the case, it seems like it's a 100% certainty that LL lied during his interviews. What did I miss- how did they ALL lock in step with such confidence? I don't believe it, but I am curious as to why they are all so sure.

    And I apologize if this is covered elsewhere.
    Because the NOA said his testimony caused the NCAA to find them guilty of a new Level ! violation. One that can and will add to their penalties. Worse, they didnt even get the players. If they dont take the stance that he lied, they are guilty of something far worse than a Level 1 violation. They are guilty of being out recruited by MSU and being made fools of at a game they think they are great at. I think this is about pride as much as it is about the fear of the penalties.

    THeir fans believe it because it's convenient to believe what benefits your own preconceptions. We all do this. It doesnt matter what proof is offered that the inaccurate info Leo and Kobe provided is irrelevant, they need to believe that the idea of a security tag or the color of a fake credit card or whatever is the smoking gun THAT makes most of the penalties go away. That somehow the NCAA will be forced to reconsider the harshness over this.

    But here is something I'm not sure I get:

    They are extreemly cocksure about the idea that Leo revealed that an MSU booster paid him. THat he admitted this in the interview with the NCAA. Even if it's true, I dont see Leo doing this. But surely I'm just being a homer. Guilty of the same thing I accuse them of. In the end, like politics we have our side and we will only accept facts that support our current beliefs. I tend to think the facts we accept are more rational than the conclusions they are drawing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgface View Post
    I just got in from a bar session with a bear. He's regurgitating the same thing. That LL lied and that his immunity with the NCAA is for himself....not State. Says he will have to come clean in court on what he got from State and that the NCAA will use that against us. Says if they go down......they will bring us down too. I had to just get out of there.
    I've been saying this for a while, immunity protects the SA, not the school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravedigger View Post
    Because the NOA said his testimony caused the NCAA to find them guilty of a new Level ! violation. One that can and will add to their penalties. Worse, they didnt even get the players. If they dont take the stance that he lied, they are guilty of something far worse than a Level 1 violation. They are guilty of being out recruited by MSU and being made fools of at a game they think they are great at. I think this is about pride as much as it is about the fear of the penalties.

    THeir fans believe it because it's convenient to believe what benefits your own preconceptions. We all do this. It doesnt matter what proof is offered that the inaccurate info Leo and Kobe provided is irrelevant, they need to believe that the idea of a security tag or the color of a fake credit card or whatever is the smoking gun THAT makes most of the penalties go away. That somehow the NCAA will be forced to reconsider the harshness over this.

    But here is something I'm not sure I get:

    They are extreemly cocksure about the idea that Leo revealed that an MSU booster paid him. THat he admitted this in the interview with the NCAA. Even if it's true, I dont see Leo doing this. But surely I'm just being a homer. Guilty of the same thing I accuse them of. In the end, like politics we have our side and we will only accept facts that support our current beliefs. I tend to think the facts we accept are more rational than the conclusions they are drawing.
    We asked the NCAA about Lewis I believe. We asked if we should sit him or not. They told us he was ok to play. This was after the interviews. Remember, the cheaters said he wouldn't play in the Egg Bowl too. I don't know who we had in his jersey in that day, but whoever it was played a heck of a game.

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    STOP LETTING THEM GET IN YOUR HEAD!!!
    THEY GOT NOTHING.... I MEAN NOTHING.......
    AND SOON THEY WONT HAVE A LOT MORE STUFF!

    Like bowl games to play in, like rings for loosing a bowl game, like head coaches and winning seasons, no more great recruiting cla$$es, no more egg bowl wins during the current tenure, you know that type of stuff.

    55-20, HailSTATE! and GTHOM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turfdawg67 View Post
    I've been saying this for a while, immunity protects the SA, not the school.
    If the school was not afforded some level of protection no way we let him talk to the NCAA in the off chance we had a booster give him money. We'd be slitting our own throat. And if Bracky thought he'd received so much as a stick of juicy fruit he would have already suspended him for a year.

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    Sounds like some of these morons think since they have a law school they're all Perry 17ing Mason. I guess they all get a law degree by osmosis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg34 View Post
    If the school was not afforded some level of protection no way we let him talk to the NCAA in the off chance we had a booster give him money. We'd be slitting our own throat. And if Bracky thought he'd received so much as a stick of juicy fruit he would have already suspended him for a year.
    Agreed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turfdawg67 View Post
    I've been saying this for a while, immunity protects the SA, not the school.
    The NCAA only gets to take that position one time. Once they punish a player's school based on testimony given as part of a grant of immunity, offers of immunity will be pretty much worthless in the future.

    What player is going to take the deal of "You tell the truth, and we won't punish you. We'll just punish your school and teammates and then you can go back and I'm sure enjoy the rest of your eligibility at the school." Even for players transferring out, that would likely cause them problems at their new school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg34 View Post
    The accuracy of this is hilarious to me. I can't stop laughing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg34 View Post
    If the school was not afforded some level of protection no way we let him talk to the NCAA in the off chance we had a booster give him money. We'd be slitting our own throat. And if Bracky thought he'd received so much as a stick of juicy fruit he would have already suspended him for a year.
    What I always heard is that Leo Lewis got immunity to testify openly about what he got related to UM's recruitment of him, and questions were only asked of him in regards to his recruitment by UM. I even think MSU representation was present to make sure this happened.

    I have also heard that the NCAA has notified MSU that the book is closed on LL's recruitment at this point.

    As far as the RR lawsuit, Leo will be a five year NFL vet by the time he's ever deposed for that, if it ever happens. It's far more likely that it gets thrown out.

    Long story short, all of this stuff about LL allegedly lying and talking about money he took from MSU, and how it will eventually take down MSU, is a Rebel pipe dream. It ain't gonna happen.

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