So, the NCAA would have been satisfied with OM firing Freeze?

[TrapGame]

Heard on local sports radio yesterday - Wimberly maybe? - that it seems the NCAA is leaking out through its media contacts that it would have been satisfied at the very beginning of this ordeal with the firing of Hugh Freeze. They would have taken the self-imposed penalties and all would have been well. But, since om has garbed themselves in the cloak of indolence and covered their faces with the veil of duplicity and have not cast the false prophet from their flock nor repented, the NCAA is going to smite them with unimaginable wrath.

[Tbonewannabe]

They probably would have upped the schollies some and accepted the one year bowl ban. Freeze is going to be one of the best things to happen to MSU for the last decade because of what he shape UNM will be left in.

[DownwardDawg]

They probably would have upped the schollies some and accepted the one year bowl ban. Freeze is going to be one of the best things to happen to MSU for the last decade because of what he shape UNM will be left in.

There is no doubt! State fans will forever cherish freeze!

[LockeDawg]

The NCAA more than likely would have accepted the self-imposed bowl ban, maybe upped the scholly reduction, accepted the monetary reimbursement, accepted the reduced recruiting visits/contacts with recruits, etc. if Freeze AND Farrar had been canned immediately after the first NOA.

OM chose to ride the dragon, resulting in the NCAA retaliating with a vengeance resulting in the program killing LOIC & Failure to Monitor on Freeze.

[TrapGame]

There is no doubt! State fans will forever cherish freeze!

Maybe we should name the restrooms on the visitor's side of DWS after him.

[Tbonewannabe]

Maybe we should name the restrooms on the visitor's side of DWS after him.

Put a picture of his face in the bottom of the trough.

[BrunswickDawg]

The thing is - as we learned with Jackie - the NCAA has long memories when it comes to "bad actors". Once you are on their radar screen you will always be on their radar screen. Hugh Freeze's 1st action as an employee under an NCAA school was to break a recruiting rule. Hell, he hadn't even started his 1st day on the job at OM and he broke a rule. That screams loose cannon.

[Bully13]

Heard on local sports radio yesterday - Wimberly maybe? - that it seems the NCAA is leaking out through its media contacts that it would have been satisfied at the very beginning of this ordeal with the firing of Hugh Freeze. They would have taken the self-imposed penalties and all would have been well. But, since om has garbed themselves in the cloak of indolence and covered their faces with the veil of duplicity and have not cast the false prophet from their flock nor repented, the NCAA is going to smite them with unimaginable wrath.

thank you for that post. VERY VERY well written. Draft Night kinda put a kink in the armor as well though, right?

[sandwolf]

Heard on local sports radio yesterday - Wimberly maybe? - that it seems the NCAA is leaking out through its media contacts that it would have been satisfied at the very beginning of this ordeal with the firing of Hugh Freeze. They would have taken the self-imposed penalties and all would have been well. But, since om has garbed themselves in the cloak of indolence and covered their faces with the veil of duplicity and have not cast the false prophet from their flock nor repented, the NCAA is going to smite them with unimaginable wrath.

I really don't buy that. I think that by keeping Freeze they are definitely making it worse on themselves, but I don't think that there is any way that the self imposed sanctions were going to be accepted. The NCAA is setting the precedent for their new penalty structure with this case and OM has been charged with more major allegations than anyone since SMU.......so 11 scholarships and a bowl ban was never going to cut it. Those sanctions would basically render the penalty matrix worthless and would in no way send a message to the rest of college football that their new structure meant business.

[MSUDawg99]

Heard on local sports radio yesterday - Wimberly maybe? - that it seems the NCAA is leaking out through its media contacts that it would have been satisfied at the very beginning of this ordeal with the firing of Hugh Freeze. They would have taken the self-imposed penalties and all would have been well. But, since om has garbed themselves in the cloak of indolence and covered their faces with the veil of duplicity and have not cast the false prophet from their flock nor repented, the NCAA is going to smite them with unimaginable wrath.

Not sure about all that. I'd have to listen to the replay to know whether that was just someone's opinion on that or not. I doubt they'd have accepted the self imposed penalties & called it a day.

[BrunswickDawg]

I really don't buy that. I think that by keeping Freeze they are definitely making it worse on themselves, but I still don't think that they would have accepted the self imposed sanctions. They are setting the precedent for their new penalty structure with this case and OM has been charged with more major allegations than anyone since SMU.......so 11 scholarships and a bowl ban was never going to cut it. Those sanctions would basically render the penalty matrix worthless and would in no way send a message to the rest of college football that their new structure meant business.

However, remember where we were a little over a year ago. The NCAA had enough in the 1st NOA to sink Danny Hugh. If Ole Miss had stepped up in their response and cleaned house and then recommended 9 over 3 or whatever it was - it is plausible that the NCAA would have been satisfied. The head of the snake would have been cut off, OM would have been punished, and everyone moves on until the Network got too big for their britches again in about 10 years. I think the NCAA knew most of what was added in the amended COA when the original was issued - they wanted to see how OM responded. When OM went all-in for Danny Hugh, and then had the Draft Night fiasco, the NCAA decided to go all Marsellus Wallace on their ass.

It's like some have reportedly said about the Jackie probation for us - "the charges don't show much, but we were guilty of so much more." Well, we took our punishment and said "thank you sir may I have another" by hiring Sly. The NCAA left town, we moved on, and finally started to rebuild. OM gave them two middle fingers and then upped the ante with the '16 class. Bunch of idiots.

[starkvegasdawg]

There is no doubt! State fans will forever cherish freeze!

Statue outside DWS?

[Political Hack]

1) I think that's complete and utter BS.

2) it paints the NCAA as the "mean ole witch hunt brigade," which is what they want their fan base to think.

Ask yourself one simple question: who has more to gain with that storyline? Ole Miss? NCAA?

[TrapGame]

Guys, the NCAA damn well would have taken the firing/resignation of Hugh Freeze with a few scholarships and maybe a one year bowl ban at the beginning of this. No muss, no fuss.

But ole miss said 17 you and the horse you rode in on. They passed out the kool aid to the faithful and have gone all in with Danny Hugh. Any lenient treatment from the NCAA now is not invoking the death penalty.

[DownwardDawg]

Statue outside DWS?

Yes. Put yours and trapgames idea together. Little freeze figures in each urinal.

[Political Hack]

Guys, the NCAA damn well would have taken the firing/resignation of Hugh Freeze with a few scholarships and maybe a one year bowl ban at the beginning of this. No muss, no fuss.

But ole miss said 17 you and the horse you rode in on. They passed out the kool aid to the faithful and have gone all in with Danny Hugh. Any lenient treatment from the NCAA now is not invoking the death penalty.

I'm sorry but there's zero chance that would've happened. The investigation was still going with new allegations being uncovered continuously. It's akin to offering a bank robber a plea deal while he's actively robbing banks.

[solodawg]

My opinion is, that firing Freeze was never a real option for the Rebs. I honestly believe it was never even considered. This entire "network" of wrong doing was a concerted effort from assistants all the way to the top of their administration and big money boosters. Freeze knows too much on his bosses and they will do everything possible to protect him.

[Jack Lambert]

There is no doubt! State fans will forever cherish freeze!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD94tZgPuvc

[confucius say]

I told y'all this along time ago. If om would have gotten out in front of this and cleaned house after the 2014 season they would have 15 schollies at most, prob 10, over three years plus some fines, no bowl bans. Now they will get 30 and 2 year bowl ban.

[TrapGame]

I'm sorry but there's zero chance that would've happened. The investigation was still going with new allegations being uncovered continuously. It's akin to offering a bank robber a plea deal while he's actively robbing banks.

Yeah your probably right Hack, but the NCAA wanted Freeze, period. OM decided, for whatever reason, to side with him. The NCAA didn't want to spend the money or the man hours for this shit. Now, they are pissed off and mad about it. Getting rid of Freeze would have saved the NCAA time and money. They knew he was dirty and had proof. But, now om has continued the shenanigans all the while claiming compliance and cooperation. The NCAA is going to make them an example: When we ask you to fire your head coach, we mean it.

Bottom line though: After the first NOA canning Freeze and co. would have saved OM from a major hit to their football program. They had their one chance to come clean and do the right thing. They blew it. Now they deserve everything that happens to them.