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    Flea'd from the Gump Board re: OM, MSU, NCAA et al....

    lengthy, but a pretty good read.... written by a poster named "selma...."

    Re: NCAA to formally charge Ole Miss with rules violations

    My guess is that Ole Miss' blithering attempt to save Freeze stems from their well-earned inferiority complex combined with the fact he's a home boy competing against a Yankee (Mullen) who has done a helluva job putting together something decent on the field by StarkVegas standards.

    When football was lily white, Ole Miss was a big deal. They haven't been a big deal now in half a century so the number of folks who can even remember this is shrinking with each passing year. And just as with the Barn, it is one of the Articles of Faith of the Religion of the Grove: the only reason Bama beats us is because they cheat and we are virginal clean.

    From a 1993 SI:


    Just the year before, Ole Miss coach Billy Brewer had accused him of being a snob and a liar, among other things. Sherrill cheats, Brewer said, in the fashion of "all those [Bear] Bryant boys like Charley Pell and Danny Ford."

    Less than a year after this story ran (and less than two years after making the charge):


    Billy Brewer Fired


    Mississippi football coach Billy Brewer was fired a day after athletic director Warner Alford resigned and 31/2 weeks after the school announced an NCAA inquiry alleging 15 violations.

    This case was so open and shut that only five months after news of the inquiry broke - "Ole Miss Found Guilty of 15 Infractions"



    NCAA sanctions levied yesterday against the University of Mississippi football program might cripple it for years.

    The NCAA infractions committee found Mississippi guilty of 15 violations. They ranged from a lack of institutional control to offers of cash, plane tickets and cars to prospects by staff members and boosters.

    Because Mississippi was penalized for similar acts in 1986, the NCAA showed no leniency, said David Swank, University of Oklahoma law professor and chairman of the committee on infractions.

    "This is one of the most serious cases we've had since I've been a member of the committee," said Swank, in his fourth year as infractions committee chairman.

    The committee placed Mississippi on probation for four years, banned it from postseason play for two years, banned it from playing in televised games for one year, and slashed the number of new players Mississippi can put on scholarship the next two years from 25 to 13 per year.

    The scholarship reduction was the most severe levied against a Division I-A school since Southern Methodist University was barred from offering any scholarships or fielding a team in 1987 and '88.

    The committee also found former football coach Billy Brewer guilty of unethical conduct, a charge not contained in the original letter of inquiry. The committee imposed a penalty that all but bars Brewer from another NCAA coaching job for four years.

    Brewer's attorney said he would continue with plans for a lawsuit against Ole Miss seeking compensation for the final three years of Brewer's contract.

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    Wanna know what people hate worse than a cheater?

    A cheater who accuses others and pretends he isn't one.

    THIS is what you're dealing with folks. Brewer himself was an Ole Miss player, he played 1957-60 for Vaught.

    They're terrified of what's coming if they lose Freeze. You can't exactly get an Urban Meyer type to come to Oxford and Mullen appears to be going nowhere and ain't no slouch at the local thing.

    For those who don't get the mentality, this is it. It's about state superiority and continuing to pretend everyone else cheats but you don't.
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    They have never really pretended they don't cheat. At least not till the cops show up.

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    There are two things that really excite me about the close of this decade:
    1) Watching Hugh Freeze coach a more honestly recruited team
    2) Getting to watch who OM has to hire to coach when Freeze gets his show cause

    1 of these 2 will happen and it's going to be a fun 36-48 months

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    I didn't follow football much in the early 90s when OM got hammered (pretty much took a hiatus from college sports after I graduated until about '95), but it sounds like their behavior then was pretty much the same as now. Only this time, the rules are a little more severe especially as the head coach is concerned.

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    Ole Miss better be glad that LT was our AD then....we didn't put out foot on their throats like we could have...../

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    Quote Originally Posted by TUSK View Post
    lengthy, but a pretty good read.... written by a poster named "selma...."

    Re: NCAA to formally charge Ole Miss with rules violations

    My guess is that Ole Miss' blithering attempt to save Freeze stems from their well-earned inferiority complex combined with the fact he's a home boy competing against a Yankee (Mullen) who has done a helluva job putting together something decent on the field by StarkVegas standards.

    When football was lily white, Ole Miss was a big deal. They haven't been a big deal now in half a century so the number of folks who can even remember this is shrinking with each passing year. And just as with the Barn, it is one of the Articles of Faith of the Religion of the Grove: the only reason Bama beats us is because they cheat and we are virginal clean.

    From a 1993 SI:


    Just the year before, Ole Miss coach Billy Brewer had accused him of being a snob and a liar, among other things. Sherrill cheats, Brewer said, in the fashion of "all those [Bear] Bryant boys like Charley Pell and Danny Ford."

    Less than a year after this story ran (and less than two years after making the charge):


    Billy Brewer Fired


    Mississippi football coach Billy Brewer was fired a day after athletic director Warner Alford resigned and 31/2 weeks after the school announced an NCAA inquiry alleging 15 violations.

    This case was so open and shut that only five months after news of the inquiry broke - "Ole Miss Found Guilty of 15 Infractions"



    NCAA sanctions levied yesterday against the University of Mississippi football program might cripple it for years.

    The NCAA infractions committee found Mississippi guilty of 15 violations. They ranged from a lack of institutional control to offers of cash, plane tickets and cars to prospects by staff members and boosters.

    Because Mississippi was penalized for similar acts in 1986, the NCAA showed no leniency, said David Swank, University of Oklahoma law professor and chairman of the committee on infractions.

    "This is one of the most serious cases we've had since I've been a member of the committee," said Swank, in his fourth year as infractions committee chairman.

    The committee placed Mississippi on probation for four years, banned it from postseason play for two years, banned it from playing in televised games for one year, and slashed the number of new players Mississippi can put on scholarship the next two years from 25 to 13 per year.

    The scholarship reduction was the most severe levied against a Division I-A school since Southern Methodist University was barred from offering any scholarships or fielding a team in 1987 and '88.

    The committee also found former football coach Billy Brewer guilty of unethical conduct, a charge not contained in the original letter of inquiry. The committee imposed a penalty that all but bars Brewer from another NCAA coaching job for four years.

    Brewer's attorney said he would continue with plans for a lawsuit against Ole Miss seeking compensation for the final three years of Brewer's contract.

    ===============

    Wanna know what people hate worse than a cheater?

    A cheater who accuses others and pretends he isn't one.

    THIS is what you're dealing with folks. Brewer himself was an Ole Miss player, he played 1957-60 for Vaught.

    They're terrified of what's coming if they lose Freeze. You can't exactly get an Urban Meyer type to come to Oxford and Mullen appears to be going nowhere and ain't no slouch at the local thing.

    For those who don't get the mentality, this is it. It's about state superiority and continuing to pretend everyone else cheats but you don't.
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    Good stuff, Tusk and a accurate description of the idiots up north.

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    Romans 5:8

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    Excellent read. And spot on.

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    Fully institutional cheating has been going on there for years. Even the NCAA knows this...

    Perhaps this is less a vendetta against Freeze, but more of one against UMiss in general.

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    so if the husband voluntary lets his wife have sex with a student athlete is she cheating?

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    There is only one inaccuracy to this post...

    When football was lily white, Ole Miss was a big deal.

    It should read....When football was lily white, Ole Miss was a big deal because they still weren't lily white during the lily white era in college football. Talk to enough of us that were old enough to remember the Vaught days and you will hear of some of the same accusations that you read about today. It just happened to be on a smaller scale in that the majority of a teams players in that day were more localized than what you see today. You didn't have OM buying OT's from Florida or DT's from Georgia. But you did have them buying them from Aberdeen and McComb and Yazoo City. And guess who it hurt the most?

    Yes, OM has been corrupt for as long as they have been in existence. The good ole boy "network" has been alive and well in this state in politics and sports for quite some time. And probation once a decade hasn't slowed it down one iota. Hopefully the NCAA has looked back at some of its past rulings and wondered why they haven't been able to slow that train down any.

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    Yep

    And the best thing the GOB has done for us other than this fiasco, scandal is to side with the Kinards. Glory be be to those idiot assholes who delivered Bob Tyler to us. Yea, they brought us down for a time but we saw what it tasted like.

    I hate to even think if they would have hired Tyler rather than an old worn out GOB Kinard.

    Thanks!!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpy Chucklelips View Post
    There is only one inaccuracy to this post...

    When football was lily white, Ole Miss was a big deal.

    It should read....When football was lily white, Ole Miss was a big deal because they still weren't lily white during the lily white era in college football. Talk to enough of us that were old enough to remember the Vaught days and you will hear of some of the same accusations that you read about today. It just happened to be on a smaller scale in that the majority of a teams players in that day were more localized than what you see today. You didn't have OM buying OT's from Florida or DT's from Georgia. But you did have them buying them from Aberdeen and McComb and Yazoo City. And guess who it hurt the most?

    Yes, OM has been corrupt for as long as they have been in existence. The good ole boy "network" has been alive and well in this state in politics and sports for quite some time. And probation once a decade hasn't slowed it down one iota. Hopefully the NCAA has looked back at some of its past rulings and wondered why they haven't been able to slow that train down any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpy Chucklelips View Post
    There is only one inaccuracy to this post...

    When football was lily white, Ole Miss was a big deal.

    It should read....When football was lily white, Ole Miss was a big deal because they still weren't lily white during the lily white era in college football. Talk to enough of us that were old enough to remember the Vaught days and you will hear of some of the same accusations that you read about today. It just happened to be on a smaller scale in that the majority of a teams players in that day were more localized than what you see today. You didn't have OM buying OT's from Florida or DT's from Georgia. But you did have them buying them from Aberdeen and McComb and Yazoo City. And guess who it hurt the most?

    Yes, OM has been corrupt for as long as they have been in existence. The good ole boy "network" has been alive and well in this state in politics and sports for quite some time. And probation once a decade hasn't slowed it down one iota. Hopefully the NCAA has looked back at some of its past rulings and wondered why they haven't been able to slow that train down any.
    Perhaps the author meant "lily white" as in no blacks allowed to play

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Perhaps the author meant "lily white" as in no blacks allowed to play
    That is exactly what the author meant...
    "It is not courage to resist TUSK; It is courage to accept TUSK."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked View Post
    Ole Miss better be glad that LT was our AD then....we didn't put out foot on their throats like we could have...../
    Exactly. Plus Jackie was a marked man by the NCAA. We now have an AD that has balls and a head coach that isn't hated by the NCAA that is an even better coach than Jackie IMO. At the very least he is a much more consistent coach in terms of having winning seasons- and is just now starting to get acclaim from the NFL for developing Dak. Speaking of the NFL we have a lot more prominent group of football players in the league at this time led by Dak and Fletcher Cox- and most of them were recruited and developed by Dan.

    1995 Ole Miss got very lucky in that while they were put on probation we were coming off of a Peach Bowl season and instead of putting them away we lost to Northeast Louisiana (now ULM) and even worse lost the Egg Bowl. It was pretty much a perfect scenario for them to minimize the damage as much as possible.

    On top of that, they also turned us in to the NCAA and got us put on probation very briefly which again helped negate their penalties at least on a local level. And I fully expect them to try to do so again- and their recent behavior where they basically call out Leo Lewis, Kobe Jones, and MSU and while turning a blind eye to the plethora of players and other teams that turned them in pretty much is a confirmation of this. Hopefully with a better AD and a better coach it won't work this time. At any rate our AD needs to be ready to stand up to it when it happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpy Chucklelips View Post
    There is only one inaccuracy to this post...

    When football was lily white, Ole Miss was a big deal.

    It should read....When football was lily white, Ole Miss was a big deal because they still weren't lily white during the lily white era in college football. Talk to enough of us that were old enough to remember the Vaught days and you will hear of some of the same accusations that you read about today. It just happened to be on a smaller scale in that the majority of a teams players in that day were more localized than what you see today. You didn't have OM buying OT's from Florida or DT's from Georgia. But you did have them buying them from Aberdeen and McComb and Yazoo City. And guess who it hurt the most?

    Yes, OM has been corrupt for as long as they have been in existence. The good ole boy "network" has been alive and well in this state in politics and sports for quite some time. And probation once a decade hasn't slowed it down one iota. Hopefully the NCAA has looked back at some of its past rulings and wondered why they haven't been able to slow that train down any.
    My Grandfather used to complain about Ole Miss cheating all the time back then per my Mom. 2013 was really the first time that they tried to step out and recruit "nationally". I would say it has blown up in their face pretty badly.

    Some of this is the NCAA's fault IMO because they've pretty much drew the line at "you can cheat with local players but just don't go out of your boundaries and do it." Someone- not surprising that it's Ole Miss- was bound to push the envelope at some point. I'm pretty confident that's why they were allowed to get away with CJ Johnson and the Army All American's recruitment among many others- and had the NCAA put their foot down at that point 2013 for Ole Miss doesn't happen. Not that I care too much because either Ole Miss is going to be hit so hard that they are going to wish they had the death penalty or they will actually get it. Either way, their program is about to be set back at least 10 years. And as I said- Dan has us in a much better spot than Jackie did in 1995.

    And with USM being relegated to second tier status in C-USA and getting dominated by us twice- things are teed up for us to claim the top spot in Mississippi in football for awhile. As long as Dan doesn't screw it up. Save us DJ Looney- you're our only hope.

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    This deserves a Meme.

    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    Save us DJ Looney- you're our only hope.
    Make it happen internet.

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    The Lilly White comment Is spot on. If they don't cheat, they're going to have a hell of a time attracting young studs to play for a student body that chants "the south will rise again" after their fight song.

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