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    Something To Keep In Mind....

    Ole Miss' responses this week got me thinking about something Rosebowl said on the Boneyard about a year ago. Steve said he was confused about the NCAA's findings when they put MSU on probation in the early 2000s (An investigation btw that was completely instigated by OM), and couldn't understand why the NCAA cared so much about $20 here and a t-shirt there. So, his curiosity led him to the compliance office where he asked why the NCAA wanted to hammer MSU for such minimal infractions, and Rosey was told, "Steve, we were guilty of much more."

    I say this not as a way to re-ignite past frustrations or to instigate a Kang party, but to make people aware that the NCAA knows a whole hell of a lot more about what OM has done outside of what's just in that NOA. The NOA just serves as the Al Capone tax fraud charge that offered the NCAA ammunition in which to explain the Network to the COI.

    Every good story needs a villain (Leo) and a point upon which to rally against (MSU) and that's MSU has become in this. An rival in which to rally against and bring the Rebels together in hopes that the staff can be showcaused as victims and martyrs.

    So, while OM is going to war with the NCAA to expose the doubt in their tax fraud case, the NCAA is laughing at how clueless these idiots are to the entire body of knowledge the NCAA knows about OM.
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    I completely agree that they know more than what is in the NOAs. Heck, everyone knows the NFL Draft fiasco. But I don't think they can just punish arbitrarily like the did in the past so they had to find stone cold evidence to bury OM with. They did not let up until they had enough to send OM to the Stone Age. That's why I don't think they get ANYTHING mitigated. I would be surprised if much of anything is considered aggravated.

    OM has tried to play the NCAA and CFB for fools for the last 10 years and now they are going to pay the piper.
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    They can't "officially" punish them for stuff not in the NOA, but, when trying to decide how to implement the matrix, you can bet your ass it will matter.
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    Good thoughts, shotgun

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    Personally, I just want the SEC to dismiss OM. The NCAA Sisterhood of investigators is probably just going to take scholarships for a few years...not enough...I just want OM dead and off our schedule

    Video and Audio recordings and subpoena attempts on an opposing coach- the SEC should step in and say: GTFO, keep your pedophile Coach, keep your mascot, but you are not a member of the SEC anymore and you are never to be scheduled by any team, ever

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    I agree -- Yet, I do not believe this mess is over.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimi's Babies View Post
    I agree -- Yet, I do not believe this mess is over.....
    What's next?
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    December 9, 2003
    MSU news release on allegations
    Mississippi State news release:
    Mississippi State University received a letter and notice of allegations from the National Collegiate Athletics Association regarding the football program. The notice contains allegations of rules violations from 1998 to 2002. Mississippi State has been cooperating fully with the NCAA and has assisted in the investigation of these matters over the past two and a half years.
    The allegations address improper offers and inducements to prospective student-athletes. There is no allegation of academic misconduct and no allegation of lack of institutional control or failure to monitor. At this time, these are only allegations. The NCAA interviews associated with the alleged violations produced conflicting information that the University must now examine.
    Mississippi State's response to the notice is due to the NCAA on March 2, 2004, but the University may request more time if necessary.
    Consistent with NCAA and Mississippi State policy, Mississippi State will not discuss the specifics of the investigation until the University's attorneys submit the response in March.
    Copies of the NCAA document can be obtained by an accredited news outlet at the athletic media office.
    NOTICE OF ALLEGATIONS
    1. [NCAA Bylaws 13.01.3, 13.01.5, 13.1-2.1, 13.1.3-5-1, 13.2.1, 13.2.2-(e) and 13.2.4. 1 ]
    It is alleged that during the 1998-99 academic year and while recruiting then prospective student-athlete Keshan Fudge (Hattiesburg, Mississippi), Jerry Fremin, a then-assistant football coach, arranged for David Fortenberry, a representative of the institution's athletics, interests, to make improper recruiting contacts and arrange impermissible employment for the young man. Further, Fortenberry also provided cash payments totaling at least $300 to the young man and then prospective student-athlete (redacted).
    The young man signed a National Letter of Intent with the institution but did not attend the institution. Specifically:
    A. During the early stages of the 1998 fall semester, Fremin told Fudge during a telephone conversation to expect a call from Fortenberry, whom Fremin described to be a booster of the program, who could help the young man out and get him a job if he wanted one.
    B. Beginning in the fall of 1998 and continuing throughout the academic year, Fortenberry would call Fudge and ask him if he needed money. On the first occasion, Fortenberry gave directions to his office to Fudge. Fudge then contacted (redacted), who drove the young men to Fortenberry's office, and after a brief conversation, Fortenberry handed each young man a $100 bill. On approximately six other occasions, and always after a call from Fortenberry, (redacted) transported Fudge to Fortenberry's office where Fortenberry gave cash payments ranging from $30 to $50 to both young men. On two other occasions, Fudge's then-girlfriend transported him to Fortenberry's office where he received $30 to $50. Fudge used the money to purchase clothing and for entertainment. [NCAA Bylaws 13.01.5, 13.1.2.1, 13.2.1 and 13.2.2-(e)]
    C. Sometime during the academic year, Fortenberry called Fudge's home and, during their conversation, suggested that Fudge contact John Sparks, the general manager at the Sears, Roebuck and Co. store in Hattiesburg and a representative of the university's athletics interests, about a job and gave Sparks' telephone number to Fudge.
    Subsequently, Fudge contacted (redacted), who drove them to Sears and met with Sparks about the job. Sparks told, the young men they could report to work in one week, However, neither Fudge nor (redacted) recontacted Sparks or reported to work. [NCAA Bylaws 13.01.5, 13.1.2.1, 13.1.3.5.1 and 13.2.4. 1 ]
    Please indicate whether the information is substantially correct and whether the institution believes that violations of NCAA legislation occurred. Submit evidence to support your response
    Also, please provide the following:
    a. An overview of the institution's recruitment of Fudge. In that regard, please indicate the dates of the young man's unofficial and official paid visits to the institution's campus, a copy of his official paid visit record and the date he signed a National Letter of Intent to attend the institution. Please indicate why the young man never enrolled at the institution.
    b. A statement describing the relationship of Fortenberry to the university and its intercollegiate athletics program. In that regard, please indicate whether Fortenberry (1) is a graduate of the institution and a member of an athletics booster organization or alumni group; (2) has made financial contributions to the institution; (3) has been involved in the recruitment of prospective student athletes; and (4) has or had a personal relationship with Fremin and, if so, a description of that relationship. Also, please indicate if the institution believes Fortenberry to be a representative of the university's athletics interests.
    C. A statement indicating the relationship of Sparks to the university's athletics program, In that regard, please indicate whether Sparks (1) is a graduate of the institution and/or a member of an athletics booster or alumni group, (2) has made financial contributions to the institution, (3) has been involved in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes and (4) was in a management position at Sears in Hattiesburg at the time of the allegation. Also, please indicate if the institution considers Sparks to be a representative of the university's athletics interests.
    A description of the relationship between Sparks and Fortenberry. In that regard, please report whether they attended institutional booster club meetings together, were members of the same church and had contact in other social settings.
    A chart listing the dates and length of all telephone calls placed by Fremin to Fortenberry, Fudge and (redacted) during the period September 1, 1998, through March 30, 1999.
    A copy of the findings in the NCAA's individual record file that was obtained by the enforcement staff that set forth Fremin's involvement in major violations while employed at another NCAA institution.
    2. [NCAA Bylaws 13.01.3, 13-01.5, 13.02-13.2, i3.1.1.1, 13.1.2j., 13,1.7.2-(c), 13.2.1, 1.3-2.2-(b), 13.2.2-(e), 112.2-(g), 13.2.2-(h), 13.2.4.1, 13.7.1.1, 13.7.5.4, 13-7.6 and 13.8.2.1]
    It is alleged that beginning in the fall of the 1998-99 academic year and continuing through January of the 1999-2000 academic year, and while recruiting then prospective student-athlete Joseph Scott III (Hattiesburg, Mississippi), Jerry Fremin, the then-assistant football coach, and David Fortenberry, a representative's of the university's athletics interests, were involved in recruiting violations with Scott and his family. These violations included (1) impermissible telephonic and in-person recruiting contacts, and (2) arranging impermissible employment. Fremin also provided souvenirs and impermissible transportation and lodging expenses for visits to campus, which resulted in the young man receiving two expense-paid visits to the university's campus. Further, head football coach Jackie Sherrill, Fremin and the mother of an enrolled student-athlete made statements that led Scott and the young man's grandparents to believe that Scott would receive a vehicle if he enrolled at the institution. Finally, during Scott's official paid visit to the institution's campus, the young man's student host gave $100 cash to Scott. The young man eventually enrolled at another institution. Specifically:
    A. Concerning impermissible contacts during the 1998-99 academic year, on several occasions during the 1998 football season and while Scott was a junior in high school, Fremin placed calls to Scott for recruiting purposes. On one occasion during the fall, Fremin made in-person contact with Scott outside the locker room immediately after a home football game. Also, in May, after Fremin had attended a spring football practice session, Fremin spoke with Scott as they walked off the practice field to the locker room. [NCAA Bylaws 13.01.6, 13. 1. 1.1 and 13.1.7.2-(c)]
    B. Concerning Fremin's arrangements to have a booster contact Scott, during a telephone conversation in the fall of 1999, Fremin told Scott about Fortenberry and that if he needed money, Fortenberry would be in contact with him. Fortenberry then called Scott and asked Scott to come to his office so that he could meet him. Scott then went to Fortenberry's office at Nicholson Accounting where Fortenberry gave $30 cash to Scott after the young man moved some file boxes. Fortenberry then made approximately three other calls to Scott asking him if he wanted to earn some money performing odd jobs for Fortenberry, but Scott declined each time. [NCAA Bylaws 13.01.5, 13.01.6 and 13.2.2-(e)]
    C. Concerning impermissible payment of transportation and lodging expenses on Scott's unofficial visit, during a home visit to Scott and his grandparents in the fall of 1999, Scott agreed to make an unofficial visit to attend the institution's contest against the University of Mississippi on Thanksgiving night. After being told that Scott's car was not reliable, Fremin instructed Ardasene Scott, the young man's grandmother, to rent a vehicle for Joseph Scott to drive round trip (approximately one-way distance of 185 miles) to attend the game. Fremin said he would reimburse her for the cost of the rental. On November 24, Ardasene rented a Mitsubishi Galant from Enterprise Leasing Company in Hattiesburg with her VISA credit card. During subsequent telephone conversations and after Scott told Fremin he wanted to stay overnight because the game was at night, Fremin advised that he could not get a room in Starkville but had made arrangements for Scott to stay at a motel in Columbus, Mississippi. During a telephone call with (redacted), he also told Scott that they would be spending the night in Columbus. Scott did not believe be would, have to pay for the room.
    On the morning of the game on November 25, Scott and Veronica Elbashab, Scott's then-girlfriend, and (redacted), the then-girlfriend of (redacted), drove the rental car to Starkville and attended the institution's football contest that evening. After the game, Scott met (redacted) in the locker room, and then Scott and Elbashab used the rental car to follow (redacted) and (redacted), who was in (redacted)'s vehicle, to a Columbus-area motel. Neither Scott nor Elbashab paid for their room. The next morning, Scott and the two young ladies returned to Hattiesburg in the rental car. The charge of the rental car was $168.68. [NCAA Bylaws 13.2.1 and 13.8.2.1]
    D. Concerning impermissible employment, during a telephone conversation in December 1999, Fremin asked Scott if he needed a job, and Scott stated that he did. Fremin then instructed Scott to apply for employment at the Sears, Roebuck and Co. store located in Hattiesburg, which Scott did. A couple of days later, Scott was notified to report to the shipping dock at Sears for employment, which he did. Scott worked at Sears for approximately two months and was paid at approximately the minimum wage rate. On one occasion while Scott was working, Fremin came by and had a brief conversation with John Sparks, the store manager who was also a representative of the institution's athletics interests, and Scott. [NCAA Bylaw 13.2.4. 1 ]
    E. Concerning the provision of souvenirs, during a visit to Hattiesburg High School by Fremin during the fall of 1999 and prior to Scott's official visit to the institution's campus, Fremin gave a maroon-colored "Mississippi State" hat and three "Mississippi State" Nike T-shirts to Scott. [NCAA Bylaw 13.2.2-(b)]
    F. Concerning the impermissible expenses paid during Scott's official paid visit, Scott's mother, Deborah Jackson, stepfather and grandparents accompanied Scott on the visit. Later that evening after checking into the Starkville hotel on the Friday of Scott's official visit, Fremin told Ardasene that he had the "package" he owed her. Fremin then handed a $100 bill and several smaller bills (totaling less than $168.68) and said it was to reimburse her for the cost of the rental car Joseph used in November, as described in subparagraph C. On Saturday morning prior to the Rev. and Ardasene Scott's departure from Starkville, Fremin gave a white envelope containing approximately $75 cash to the Rev. Scott to reimburse him for the cost of the motel room that Scott had originally paid cash for the night before. Scott's grandparents also were provided with three meals, one on Friday and two on Saturday, at no cost.
    (Redacted), who was assigned to be Scott's student host, gave a plain white envelope containing five $20 bills to Scott while the young men were attending a dinner on the institution's campus on Friday evening. Scott gave $60 back to (redacted) to use for their entertainment and kept $40 for his personal use. [NCAA Bylaws 13.2.1, 13.2.2-(e), 13.7.1.1, 13.7.5.4 and 13.7.6]
    G. Concerning the offer of a vehicle, during a telephone conversation between (redacted) (redacted), (redacted) mother, and Ardasene, and in an attempt to recruit Scott to the institution, (redacted) told Ardasene that head football coach Jackie Sherrill got her son "a nice ride." During another telephone conversation with Fremin, about two weeks prior to Joseph Scott's official visit, Ardasene stated that she was aware that Sherrill obtained vehicles for student-athletes. Ardasene asked Fremin if Sherrill would obtain a vehicle for Joseph Scott. Fremin answered that Sherrill would discuss that matter during Joseph Scott's official visit and "take care of it."
    While Joseph Scott, his mother, stepfather and grandparents met with Sherrill in his office during the official visit, Joseph Scott expressed concern about the distance between Hattiesburg and the institution's campus that he would have to travel to attend the institution. As the Scott family was leaving the room, Sherrill asked the Rev. Scott to stay behind and visit with him. After the others left, Sherrill emphasized that he wanted Scott to attend the institution and for the Rev. Scott to tell the young man that Sherrill was "working on what they had been talking about." Sherrill's comments convinced the Rev. Scott that Sherrill would get a car for Joseph Scott, and after the Rev. Scott left Sherrill's office, he immediately told Ardasene that Joseph Scott would not attend the institution because he believed Sherrill had offered them a car. [NCAA Bylaws 13.01.5 and 13.2.1]
    Please indicate whether the information is substantially correct and whether the institution believes that violations of NCAA legislation occurred. Submit evidence to support your response.
    Also, please provide the following:
    a. An overview of the institution's recruitment of Scott. In that regard, please provide the dates of the young man's unofficial and official paid visits to the institution's campus, a copy of the institution's record of the young man's official visit, the identity of the assistant football coaches involved in his recruitment on behalf of the institution and whether Scott signed a National Letter of Intent with the institution.
    b. A copy of the rental agreement between Ardasene Scott and Enterprise Rent-a-Car.
    c. A description of the football staff's procedure to distribute entertainment money to student-athletes designated as hosts for visiting prospective student-athletes at the time of Scott's visit to campus. Please indicate if (redacted) and other student hosts were instructed about application of NCAA rules as to what governed the use of the money.
    d. A statement indicating if (redacted) had a vehicle on campus during the 1999-00 academic year.
    e. A chart listing the dates and length of all telephone calls placed by Fremin to the (redacted) residence during the period August 1, 1999, through March 1, 2000, while (redacted) was a freshman at Mississippi State. Please indicate the purpose of those calls.
    f. A copy of all documentation relating to Fremin's travel to the Hattiesburg area for the following periods: (1) fall of 1998, (2) spring of 1999 and (3) fall of 1999.
    3. [NCAA Bylaws 13.01.3, 13.01.4, 13.01.5 and 1.3.1.2.1]
    It is alleged that during the fall of the 1999-2000 academic year through January of the 2001-02 academic year, then-assistant football coach Jerry Fremin made improper recruiting contacts and made arrangements for representatives of the institution's athletics interests to have impermissible in-person recruiting contacts with prospective student-athletes. Specifically:
    A. During a dinner at a hotel in Biloxi, Mississippi, in the fall of 1999 that was sponsored by either an alumni association or the institution's Bulldog Club, Fremin introduced prospective student-athlete Stephen Peterman (Waveland, Mississippi) and his parents to a number of individuals who were also representatives of the institution's athletics interests, who encouraged Peterman to attend the institution. Fremin had invited the Petermans to the meeting. [NCAA Bylaw 13.01.5]
    B. In January 2000, during the official paid visit to the institution's campus of then-prospective student-athlete Doug Buckles (Madison, Mississippi), Fremin introduced the young man to a former student-athlete at the institution, who was a current player in the National Football League and a representative of the institution's athletics interests. The conversation was approximately five minutes in length and took place at Harvey's, an off-campus restaurant, where the institution took prospective student-athletes and their parents for meals. [NCAA Bylaw 13.01.5]
    C. In October 2000 and at the conclusion of a East Mississippi Community College (Scooba, Mississippi) football game that Fremin attended to watch his son play, Fremin shook hands with Thad Cribbs of East Mississippi Community College and told him to "Keep up the good work."
    D. It was reported that in October 2001, Fremin made contact with (redacted) (redacted, redacted) and the young man's parents at the young man's high school on the date of a competition, These contacts occurred before and after a home game, and (redacted) gave an oral commitment to attend the institution that day.
    E. In October 2001, Fremin contacted Chris McNair (Gulfport, Mississippi) while the young man was in his high school cafeteria.
    Please indicate whether this information is substantially correct and whether the institution agrees that violations of NCAA legislation occurred. Submit evidence to support your response.
    Also, please provide the following.
    a. A statement confirming that the institution was recruiting each of the prospective student-athletes identified in the allegation and whether they signed a National Letter of Intent with the institution and enrolled there.
    b. A statement listing all alumni and booster club dinners held in the fall of 1999 in Biloxi. Please indicate if the Petermans attended any of the meetings and the identities of all other institutional staff members involved in or knowledgeable of Petermans' attendance at the dinner.
    4. [NCAA Bylaws 13.01.4,13.01.5 and 13.1.2.1]
    On three different occasions during the summer of 2000 and in January of the 2001-02 academic year, a representative of the university's athletics interests made improper in-person recruiting contacts with a prospective student-athlete being recruited by the institution. Specifically:
    A. In the summer of 2000, during the institution's summer football camp, a then member of the football staff introduced then-prospective student-athletes (redacted) (redacted, redacted) and (redacted) (redacted, redacted) to Johnie Cooks, a representative of the institution's athletics interests. (Redacted) also met with Cooks at his office in the State Capitol on two other occasions during that summer.
    B. In the fall of 2000, during an unofficial visit to watch a home football game, student-athlete (redacted) introduced (redacted) to a representative of the institution's athletics interests. [NCAA Bylaw 13.01.5]
    C. In January 2002, then- prospective student-athlete (redacted) (redacted, redacted) and the young man's mother, (redacted), met with Joel Clements, president of First State Bank and a representative of the institution's athletics interests, in Clements' office. Clements spoke to (redacted) about his experiences at the institution and that he hoped the young man would go there. Clements knew that (redacted) was being recruited by the institution and had met with the head football coach and two assistant football coaches earlier in the day. During his conversation with the coaches, Clements learned that the coaches had just met with (redacted). Clements assumed that the coaches had encouraged the young man to meet with him.
    Please indicate whether this information is substantially correct and whether the institution agrees that violations of NCAA legislation occurred. Submit evidence to support your response.
    Also, please provide the following:
    a. A statement confirming that the prospective student-athletes identified in the allegation were being recruited by the institution. Please indicate whether the young men enrolled at the institution.
    b. A description of the relationship between Cooks and Clements, the institution's athletics program or football coaching staff. Please indicate if these individuals were former football student-athletes at the institution and/or employees of the institution, and whether the institution considers these individuals to be representatives of the university's athletics interests.
    c. A statement indicating whether the institution declared (redacted) ineligible as a result of the conversation with Clements, and if so, please submit a copy of all correspondence between the institution and the NCAA's student-athlete reinstatement staff.
    5. [NCAA Bylaws 13.01.3, 13-01.4, 13.2.1 and 13.2.2-(e)]
    It is alleged that during the 2000-01 academic year and while recruiting then- prospective student-athlete Chris Spencer (Madison, Mississippi), assistant football coach Glenn Davis instructed Ray Griffin, a cousin of Sharon Wallace, the young man's mother, to make offers to the Wallaces on behalf of the institution that were designed to induce Spencer to attend there. Further, during a home visit, head football coach Jackie Sherrill made impermissible offers to Ben Wallace, the young man's stepfather. Finally, Spencer enrolled at another institution. Specifically:
    A. In the fall of 2000, Griffin called Sharon Wallace and said he wanted to meet with her about which collegiate institution Spencer should attend. The next day, Griffin came to Sharon Wallace's office in Canton, Mississippi. Griffin told her that he had spoken with Davis, and if Spencer attended the institution, the institution was prepared to (1) satisfy the mortgage on the Wallace home; (2) provide new vehicles for Wallace and Spencer; (3) provide free medical care for Wallace, who was afflicted with an unusual medical condition; and (4) provide an indeterminate amount of cash. After Sharon rejected the offer, Griffin asked her to think the offer over and that he would recontact her. Approximately one month later, Griffin returned to Sharon's office to discuss the institution's offer, but she told Griffin that she still was not interested in the inducements he mentioned. Griffin then suggested that Spencer attend the institution for at least one year; obtain the inducements offered and then transfer to a school he preferred. Wallace told Griffin that she was not interested in his proposal. [NCAA Bylaws 13.01.3, 13.01.4, 13.01.5, 13.1.2.1, 13.2.1 and 13.2.2-(e)]
    B. At the conclusion of a home visit in the fall of 2000 and while Ben Wallace was walking with Sherrill to his vehicle, Sherrill told Ben that Sherrill would make sure that Spencer and the Wallace family were taken care of, and that if he (Ben Wallace) was in need of employment or anything, to call Sherrill. [NCAA Bylaw 13.2.1)
    Please indicate whether the information is substantially correct and whether the institution believes that violations of NCAA legislation occurred. Submit evidence to support your response.
    Also, please provide the following:
    a. An overview of the institution's recruitment of Spencer. In that regard, please indicate whether Spencer was a highly recruited prospect, the coaching staff members involved in his recruiting and whether the institution made any visits to the young man's home during the recruitment of the young man.
    b. A chart listing the date, length and purpose of all telephone calls placed by Davis to Griffin daring the period August 1 through November 30, 2000.
    c. The date of all visits to the Wallace home by the staff during the 2000-01 academic year.
    d. A statement indicating whether Davis placed any calls to Griffin prior to the institution's recruitment of Spencer and learned Griffin was related to Spencer's mother. Please indicate if Davis knew that Griffin was related to Spencer's mother and, if so, how and when he learned this information.
    6. [NCAA Bylaws 13.01.3, 13.0.1.4, 13.01.6, 13.2.1, 13.2.2-(b) and 13,2.2-(e)]
    It is alleged that during the period from the fall of the 2001-02 academic year through August 2002, while recruiting then-prospective student-athlete Ken Griffith (Brandon, Mississippi), assistant football coach Glenn Davis violated NCAA recruiting legislation when he made impermissible recruiting telephone calls to Griffith and arranged to pay the cost of two high school courses Griffith took at the Education Center (Jackson, Mississippi) and to provide him with money for his personal use. Finally, Griffith enrolled at another institution. [Note: Courses at the Education Center could be counted as core curriculum-level classes and satisfy the NCAA's initial eligibility requirements (per NCAA Bylaw 14.3). Griffith was a nonqualifier in August 2003.] Specifically:
    A. Concerning the arrangements with the Education Center, during a telephone conversation with Griffith in the spring of 2002, Davis suggested that Griffith enroll in two summer school courses at the Education Center. During a visit to Brandon High School (Brandon) in May, Glenn Davis gave an Education Center application form to Dan Davis, the Brandon head football coach and asked him to give it to Griffith, which he did. Glenn Davis also asked Vic Shivers, an assistant football coach at Brandon and a representative of the university's athletics interests, to transport Griffith to the Education Center in order for the young man to register for the classes, and Shivers subsequently transported Griffith round trip from Brandon to Jackson (a distance of approximately 80 miles). At the Education Center, Griffith met with Lynn Macon, the Education Center principal, as he had been instructed by Glenn Davis and was enrolled in two courses (physical science and advanced world geography). Griffith began classes on June 6, 2002, but was not required to pay for the courses, as was the Education Center's policy that classes be paid for on or before the first day of class. [NCAA Bylaws 13.01.3, 13.01-5 and 13.6.1]
    B. On July 21, 2002 (and at the conclusion of the courses), Griffith told Davis during a telephone conversation that he did not have the $800 he owed to the Education Center. Davis told Griffith not to worry, and "We will get the money to you." Shivers subsequently arranged to meet Griffith at the Brandon field house where Shivers gave at least three $100 bills to Griffith and instructed Griffith to use the money to pay the Education Center and to bring Shivers a receipt so that Glenn Davis would reimburse him. Glenn Davis also had previously told Griffith to obtain a receipt. Shivers also explained that they would get the rest of the money owed to the Education Center later. On July 24, Griffith made a $300 cash payment to the Education Center. [NCAA Bylaws 13.01.3, 13.01.5, 13.01.6 and 13.2.2-(e)]
    C. In early August, Shivers telephoned Griffith and told Griffith to meet him at the high school. Griffith went to the school where Shivers gave him at least $375. Griffith deposited $400 in his AmSouth checking account on August 8. On September 5, Macon told Griffith that because the high school would only accept one of the two courses from, the Education Center, Griffith would only be required to pay for one course. Griffith then made a $100 payment to the Education Center, and the credit for the physical science course was transferred to Brandon. [NCAA Bylaws 13,01.3, 13.01.5 and 13.2.2-(e)]
    D. During a subsequent telephone conversation with Glenn Davis and after Griffith explained that he was only responsible for paying for one class ($400), Davis told Griffith to keep the balance of the money given to him by Shivers for the courses (approximately $3 75). [NCAA Bylaws 13.01.3, 13.01.5 and 13.2.17]
    E. On several occasions during the 2001 football season and while Griffith was a junior in high school, Glenn Davis placed calls to Griffith's residence for recruiting purposes. [NCAA Bylaw 1. 3.01.6]
    Please indicate whether the information is substantially correct and whether the institution believes that violations of NCAA legislation occurred. Submit evidence to support your response.
    Also, please provide the following:
    a. An overview of the institution's recruitment of Griffith. In that regard, please indicate if he made any unofficial or official paid visits to the institution's campus.
    b. A statement describing the relationship of Shivers to the university and its intercollegiate athletics program. In that regard, please indicate whether Shivers (1) is a graduate of the institution and/or a member of an athletics booster organization or alumni group; (2) has made financial contributions to the institution; (3) has been involved in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes; (4) had a personal relationship with assistant football coach Glenn Davis and, if so, explain the nature of that relationship; (5) has taken prospective student-athletes from Brandon High School to the institution's home football games; and (6) has been employed at and/or taken prospective student-athletes to the institution's summer football camp. Also, please indicate if the institution believes Shivers to be a representative of the university's athletics interest and, if so, the date he became a representative.
    c. A list of all telephone contacts between Shivers and Davis during the period May 1 through September 30, 2002. Please indicate the purpose of the calls,
    d. A list of all telephone contacts between Davis and Griffith during the period May 1 through September 30, 2002. Please indicate the purpose of the calls.
    e. A statement describing the relationship between Griffith and Shivers.
    f. An overview of all conversations between Glenn Davis and Education Center representatives concerning Griffith's enrollment. Please indicate whether he advised other prospects to take courses there and, if so, the reasons why.
    g. A copy of Griffith's bank records from AmSouth showing a deposit of $400 on August 8, 2002.
    h. A copy of the following documents from the Education Center: (1) Griffith's application for summer school; (2) Permission to Participate in Summer School 2002 form; (3) schedule of summer courses; (4) Record of Earned Credit form; (5) summer school schedule card; (6) a statement of charge and credit for Griffith; (7) Receipt No. 234209 (July 24, 2002) for $300 received from Griffith; and (8) Receipt No. 098257 (September 5, 2002) for $ 100 received from Griffith.
    i. The reasons Griffith was not required to pay for the courses at the Education Center by the first day of class per the Education Center policy.
    j. A copy of a July 23,2002, memorandum from Davis to Bracky Brett, compliance coordinator at the institution, regarding an incident report for Griffith and another prospective student-athlete.
    7. [NCAA Bylaws 13.01.3, 13.2.1, 13.2.2-(b), 13.2.2-(e), 13.7,5.4 and 13.7.5.5-(a)]
    It is alleged that on three occasions during the 1999-2000 and 2000-01 academic years and during the official paid visits to the institution's campus of three prospective student-athletes, their designated student-athlete,hosts gave cash or souvenirs to the prospects.
    A. In December 2000, during the visit of then prospective student-athlete Thad Cribbs (Vernon, Alabama), the young man's student host, (redacted), gave two envelopes containing $60 (three $20 bills), a total of $120, to Cribbs for the young man's personal I use. [NCAA Bylaw 13.7.5.4]
    B. In January 2000, during the visit of then- prospective student-athlete Doug Buckles (Madison, Mississippi), the young man's student host gave $20 of the permissible entertainment money to Buckles for the young man's personal use. [NCAA Bylaw 13.7.5.4]
    C. In December 2000, during the visit of then- prospective student-athlete Bryant Thomas (Louisville, Mississippi), the young man's student host, (redacted), purchased a pair of black DaDa cross trainer shoes from Hibbet's at a cost of approximately $50 for Thomas. [NCAA Bylaws 13.2.2-(b) and 13.7.5.5-(a)]
    Please indicate whether the information is substantially correct and whether the institution believes that violations of NCAA legislation occurred.
    Also please provide the following:
    a. A copy of the official paid visit records for Cribbs, Buckles and Thomas.
    b. A statement indicating if any of the prospects attended the institution.
    c. A description of the procedures used to distribute money for the entertainment of visiting prospective student-athletes to student-athletes acting as hosts. Please indicate whether NCAA legislation governing the use of host money was reviewed with the student hosts.
    8. (NCAA Bylaw 13.6.2.2]
    It was agreed that on two occasions during the 2001-02 and 2002-03 academic years, the university reimbursed three prospective student-athletes (redacted), for round-trip automobile expenses incurred while traveling to campus for their official visits even though their head high school football coach used his vehicle to provide the transportation to the young men. Specifically:
    A. On January 14, 2002, the university made a cash payment of $120.75 to then-prospective student-athlete (redacted) (redacted) even though (redacted), the young men's head football coach used his automobile to provide transportation.
    B. On December 6, 2002, the university made cash payments of $132.86 each to then-prospective student-athletes Ivora Hall (Memphis, Tennessee) and Jeremy Palamoore (Memphis, Tennessee) when Sawyer provided them transportation.
    Please indicate whether the information is substantially correct and whether the institution agrees that violations of NCAA legislation occurred. Submit evidence to support your response.
    Also, please provide the following:
    a. A statement indicating if these prospects attended the institution.
    b. A copy of the official paid visit record for (redacted), Hall and Palamoore
    c. A statement describing the process used by the football athletics department to verify that prospective student-athletes making their official visits were entitled to be reimbursed for mileage expenses.
    d. A statement indicating how many current student-athletes played for Sawyer (redacted) and whether Sawyer has been employed as a coach during the institution's summer football camps.
    e. A copy of the institution's June 11, 2003, letter to the Southeastern Conference reporting the violations in subparagraph B.
    f. A statement indicating the reasons that the prospective student-athletes were reimbursed in light of NCAA legislation prohibiting such.
    9. [NCAA Bylaw 13.2.2-(h)]
    It is agreed that during the period January 9-20, 2001, and while the university was recruiting then- football prospective student-athletes (redacted) (redacted) and (redacted) (redacted), the general manager of the Ramada Inn permitted the young men to reside at the hotel's annex at no cost to them. The Ramada Inn was a representative of the university's athletics interests.
    Please indicate whether the information is substantially correct and whether the institution believes that violations of NCAA legislation occurred. Submit evidence to support your response.
    Also, please provide the following:
    a. A copy of the August 29, 2002, interpretation from the NCAA membership services staff indicating that the Ramada Inn was a representative of the institution's athletics interests.
    b. A copy of the correspondence between the institution to the NCAA student athlete-reinstatement staff regarding the restoration of the student-athletes' eligibility.
    10. [NCAA Bylaws 16.02.3 and 16.12.2]
    It was reported that on April 19, 2002, student-athlete (redacted) (redacted, redacted) used a VISA credit card number of David Holloway, a representative of the institution's athletics interests, to purchase a get of tires for his pick-up truck at Perkins Tire and Polaris Store in Pascagoula, Mississippi. The charges were posted to Holloway's card temporarily, as the young man's mother paid the $750.44 cost of the tires later that day.
    Please indicate whether the information is substantially correct and whether the institution believes that violations of NCAA legislation occurred. Submit evidence to support your response.
    Also, please provide the following:
    a. A copy of the correspondence between the institution to the NCAA student-athlete reinstatement staff regarding the restoration of the student-athlete's eligibility.
    b. A statement explaining why (redacted) used Holloway's VISA to purchase the tires.
    c. A statement describing how the institution discovered this violation and an overview of its investigation.
    d. A copy of Holloway's credit card statement showing the purchase and credit for the cost of the tires.
    11. [NCAA Bylaws 10. 1 and 10. 1 -(c)]
    It is alleged that then- assistant football coach Jerry Fremin did not on all occasions deport himself in accordance with the generally recognized high standards of honesty normally associated with the conduct and administration of intercollegiate athletics due to his involvement in Allegations Nos. 1, 2 and 3 of this inquiry.
    Please indicate whether this information is substantially correct and whether the university agrees that a violation of NCAA legislation occurred.
    Also, please provide the dates of all interviews with Fremin by the institution and the NCAA enforcement staff and those in attendance at each interview.
    12. [NCAA Bylaws 10.1 and 10.1-(c)]
    It is alleged that then- assistant football coach Glenn Davis did not on all occasions deport himself in accordance with the generally recognized high standards of honesty normally associated with the conduct and administration of intercollegiate athletics due to his involvement in Allegations Nos. 5 and 6 of this inquiry.
    Please indicate whether this information is substantially correct and whether the university agrees that a violation of NCAA legislation occurred.
    Also, please provide the dates of all interviews with Davis by the institution and the NCAA enforcement staff, and those in attendance at each interview.
    13. [NCAA Bylaws 10.1 and 10. 1-(c)]
    It is alleged that head football coach Jackie Sherrill did not on all occasions deport himself in accordance with the generally recognized high standards of honesty normally associated with the conduct and administration of intercollegiate athletics due to his involvement in Allegations Nos. 2 and 5 of this inquiry.
    Please indicate whether this information is substantially correct and whether the university agrees that a violation of NCAA legislation occurred.
    Also, please provide the dates of all interviews with Sherrill by the institution and the NCAA enforcement staff, and those in attendance at each interview.
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    14. Please provide all information concerning other possible violations of NCAA legislation by the institution that was discovered by the institution as a result of its review of this matter. In this regard, please indicate the means by which the information was discovered and the institution's position on whether a violation has occurred.
    15. Please provide a detailed description of any corrective or punitive actions implemented by the university as a result of the violations acknowledged in this inquiry. In that regard, explain the reasons the institution believes these actions to be appropriate and the specific allegations to which they relate.
    16. The NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions has asked that the following information be provided in writing concerning any current or former member of the institution's coaching staff named in significant allegations in an infraction case. Accordingly, please provide the following:
    a. A statement indicating the dates and titles of all positions within the university held by former assistant football coach Jerry Fremin, current assistant football coach Glenn Davis and head football coach Jackie Sherrill during their employment with the institution, and a brief overview of each position.
    b. The dates, title and employers of all positions held by these individuals during the five years prior to the dates of the allegations in which they were named.
    c. Please provide a detailed description and explanation of all disciplinary actions taken against any current or former athletics department staff members based upon the involvement of these individuals in violations of NCAA legislation, as determined by the institution and as mentioned in this inquiry. In that regard, explain the reasons the institution believed these actions to be appropriate and identify the violations upon which the actions were taken, and submit copies of all correspondence from the university to each individual describing these disciplinary actions.
    17. Please provide the following information concerning the football program for review by the NCAA Committee on Infractions:
    a. The average annual number of initial and total grants-in-aid that have been awarded during the past four academic years.
    b. The number of initial and total grants-in-aid that were in effect for the 2002-03 academic year and the anticipated total. number of grants to be in effect for the 2003-04 academic year.
    c. The identities of all student-athletes anticipated to be on athletically related financial aid as of the first semester of the 2002-03 academic year who will have four years of remaining eligibility and the identities of those individuals who have five years of enrollment (per the NCAA's five-year rule) to complete those four years; the identities of all student-athletes who have three years of remaining eligibility and the identities of those individuals who have four years of remaining enrollment to complete those three years; the identities of all student-athletes who have two years of remaining eligibility and the identities of those individuals who have three years of remaining enrollment to complete those two years; and the identities of all student-athletes who have one year of remaining eligibility and the identities of those individuals who have two years of remaining enrollment to complete that year.
    d. The average number of student-athletes during the previous three years who have redshirted and the number of student-athletes who were redshirted during the 2002-03 academic year.
    e. The average number of student-athletes in each of the previous three years who were awarded athletically related financial aid but who withdrew from the squad for reasons other than graduation or loss of eligibility.
    f. A list of the institution's win-loss record for the past four seasons, and the dates and results of all postseason competition in which the institution has competed during those years.
    g. The average annual number of official paid visits provided by the institution to prospects during the past four academic years.
    h. Copies of the university's 2002-03 squad list forms.
    i. The cost of room, board, books and tuition at the institution for each of the past four academic years.
    j. The dates of all major infractions cases involving the institution and a brief overview of each case.
    k. The institution's overall NCAA division and conference affiliation, the institution's total enrollment on campus, and, the number of men's and women's sports sponsored by the institution.
    18. Any additional information or comments regarding this case are welcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    What's next?
    Could be an IRS Investigation for some of the boosters, an investigation into the 501(c)3 of OM ath. oh and lets not forget the bank and the atm....
    Last edited by Mimi's Babies; 06-10-2017 at 02:29 PM. Reason: Check your PM..

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    The NCAA will find a way to support the validity of the matrix, while meting out punishment that fits the infractions and meets the eye test of fellow institutions and the media/public perception.

    Something north of USCw's penalties but south of the DP - 36-40 schollies over 4 years, 2-3 year bowl ban, show causes for Freeze, et al.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reason2succeed View Post
    I completely agree that they know more than what is in the NOAs. Heck, everyone knows the NFL Draft fiasco. But I don't think they can just punish arbitrarily like the did in the past so they had to find stone cold evidence to bury OM with. They did not let up until they had enough to send OM to the Stone Age. That's why I don't think they get ANYTHING mitigated. I would be surprised if much of anything is considered aggravated.

    OM has tried to play the NCAA and CFB for fools for the last 10 years and now they are going to pay the piper.
    Reason, clarify: I would be surprised if much of anything is NOT considered aggravated. ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by WSOPdawg View Post
    Reason, clarify: I would be surprised if much of anything is NOT considered aggravated. ???
    WSOP, Does the NCAA "stack" allegations -- to me this would enhance penalties to aggravated by the extreme number of penalties of each of the divisions of the matrix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WSOPdawg View Post
    Reason, clarify: I would be surprised if much of anything is NOT considered aggravated. ???
    That's what I meant. My bad. Thanks for catching that.
    Death penalty or bust!!!***

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimi's Babies View Post
    Could be an IRS Investigation for some of the boosters, an investigation into the 501(c)3 of OM ath. oh and lets not forget the bank and the atm....
    There is zero evidence of a bank and/or ATM... and, oh hell why bother.
    MSU = Check Collectors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turfdawg67 View Post
    There is zero evidence of a bank and/or ATM... and, oh hell why bother.
    There is evidence.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancingRabbit View Post
    The NCAA will find a way to support the validity of the matrix, while meting out punishment that fits the infractions and meets the eye test of fellow institutions and the media/public perception.

    Something north of USCw's penalties but south of the DP - 36-40 schollies over 4 years, 2-3 year bowl ban, show causes for Freeze, et al.
    This is what I expect. On top of the self imposed penalties for the last two recruiting classes (3 over 2?) at least 30 over 3 and a 2 year bowl ban. It would be reasonable to do 36 over 4 and 3 years. Anyway, that is the range I expect and it would be devastating. Of course, multiple show causes will occur regardless of everything else.

    I will be happy enough with that range. However, so will several UNM alums I know. They have already said to me, "If we get the death penalty, well we won a Sugar bowl. It was worth it."

    Anything less than that range, it will be open season in recruiting. Anything more and I will be ecstatic. But the only more I see as possible is the DP. Basically, what I listed above is the most they can give short of a DP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    They can't "officially" punish them for stuff not in the NOA, but, when trying to decide how to implement the matrix, you can bet your ass it will matter.
    Definitely agree with this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mimi's Babies View Post
    Could be an IRS Investigation for some of the boosters, an investigation into the 501(c)3 of OM ath. oh and lets not forget the bank and the atm....
    Jesus, just stop.

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    All I know that if the grove is still there and the lyceum is still standing, I will be disappointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandwolf View Post
    Definitely agree with this.



    Jesus, just stop.
    Why stop it? You better dang well understand if the shoe was on the other foot they wouldn't. You can add to that that their bought and paid for Mississippi media wouldn't be silent either. It would have been leading every broadcast and been top of he front page nearly every day now for four years. I say talk about it more.

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    Please in the name of all that's good and holy no one reply to dogoneyalls post. I don't have another hour to scroll past that novel on my phone. My thumb now has carpal tunnel.

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