My guess on OM sanctions

[spbdawg]

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[sandwolf]

But isn't it 49ish Level I Violations plus some number of Level I Violations from amended noa....so it's the matrix penalty times this number of penalties.

No. It is 15 level 1's and then 6 lower level violations. Each violation may have a bunch of individual violations listed under it, but those just add up to a single level one.

[QuadrupleOption]

No. It is 15 level 1's and then 6 lower level violations. Each violation may have a bunch of individual violations listed under it, but those just add up to a single level one.

A standard Level I violation penalty:

1 year postseason ban
Fine of $5000 + 3% of total budget
12.5% scholarship reduction
2 year show cause for any coach named (per violation they are named)
2 year probation

So the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM ON JUST THE 15 LEVEL ONE VIOLATIONS:
15 year postseason ban
$40,575,000 in fines
187.5% scholarship reduction
4 year show cause for Freeze
30 years of probation

Source: https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/f...B6)_101212.pdf

[turkish]

2 year bowl ban
3 years probation
24 schollies over 3 years.

That would be the biggest win in the history of that athletic department, past or future.

[ShotgunDawg]

A standard Level I violation penalty:

1 year postseason ban
Fine of $5000 + 3% of total budget
12.5% scholarship reduction
2 year show cause for any coach named (per violation they are named)
2 year probation

So the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM ON JUST THE 15 LEVEL ONE VIOLATIONS:
15 year postseason ban
$40,575,000 in fines
187.5% scholarship reduction
4 year show cause for Freeze
30 years of probation

Source: https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/f...B6)_101212.pdf

This. The NCAA has a real pickle here.

It's like they didn't think through their matrix or didn't believe someone would actually cheat at this level.

Eitherway, this is a landmark Carr that could set NCAA precedent for 20 years.

It will be picked a part.

[turkish]

A standard Level I violation penalty:

1 year postseason ban
Fine of $5000 + 3% of total budget
12.5% scholarship reduction
2 year show cause for any coach named (per violation they are named)
2 year probation

So the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM ON JUST THE 15 LEVEL ONE VIOLATIONS:
15 year postseason ban
$40,575,000 in fines
187.5% scholarship reduction
4 year show cause for Freeze
30 years of probation

Source: https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/f...B6)_101212.pdf

But that is for aggravated, right? Seemed like mitigated was much milder.

And that link is dead.

[sandwolf]

A standard Level I violation penalty:

1 year postseason ban
Fine of $5000 + 3% of total budget
12.5% scholarship reduction
2 year show cause for any coach named (per violation they are named)
2 year probation

So the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM ON JUST THE 15 LEVEL ONE VIOLATIONS:
15 year postseason ban
$40,575,000 in fines
187.5% scholarship reduction
4 year show cause for Freeze
30 years of probation

Source: https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/f...B6)_101212.pdf

Yea, I know what the penalty matrix shows, but there's just no way the NCAA actually imposes those type of sanctions...it will definitely be interesting to see how they handle it.

[ShotgunDawg]

Yea, I know what the penalty matrix shows, but there's just no way the NCAA actually imposes those type of sanctions...it will definitely be interesting to see how they handle it.

Then why have the matrix. Again, they are setting precedent

[Perpetual Underachiever]

There is no way the NCAA doesn't end up looking foolish. They cannot use their own matrix, because that would literally shut down OM's football program. So no matter the verdict, they will be hypocrites for not imposing their own specific matrix for punishments.

Matrix Link:
http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/matrix.pdf

[blacklistedbully]

A standard Level I violation penalty:

1 year postseason ban
Fine of $5000 + 3% of total budget $5000 + 1 to 3%
12.5% scholarship reduction 12.5 to 25%
2 year show cause for any coach named (per violation they are named) 2 to 5 years
2 year probation 2 to 6 years

So the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM ON JUST THE 15 LEVEL ONE VIOLATIONS:
15 year postseason ban
$40,575,000 in fines
187.5% scholarship reduction
4 year show cause for Freeze
30 years of probation

Source: https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/f...B6)_101212.pdf

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/f...%29_101212.pdf

[Dawgowar]

Then why have the matrix. Again, they are setting precedent

Correct. And both volume of infractions, level of in fractions, and involvement of staff in infractions are overwhelming. If the matrix is not applied properly then the NCAA will continue it's death march to irrelevancy. They can't let that happen after the Miami case destroyed their credibility. If they blow this and UNC - forget anyone even attempting to play by the rules EVER.

This is why I agree with Spider = the save Freeze at all cost approach is their only option (as a tactic, not a prediction for all the skim readers). They can't argue the infractions. The shit happened. They can try to lessen the blow by tossing others under the bus. If this had stopped at 10 allegations that night have worked. Under those conditions maybe Freeze just gets suspended. That they are still spinning it as a possibility tells me they have nothing else to fall back on. Their base is starting to wake up to the severity of what's coming. Not going to be fun for those who put them in this position.

[TUSK]

I'll play the O/U:
Years 3.5
Skollies 31
Bowl ban 2

And Santa Clauses for erbody!

[Mimi's Babies]

I told you -- OM should just take the death penalty.... and close the football team down...

Dawgowar _ IF Om had stopped the recruiting violations with the signing class of 2016.... The penalties would have been much less.. Instead that bunch continues to cheat.

[QuadrupleOption]

But that is for aggravated, right? Seemed like mitigated was much milder.

And that link is dead.

No. That's STANDARD. With MINIMUM penalties per violation. You don't even wanna see what 15 Aggravated Level 1's will get you.

Found a new link: https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/f...%29_101212.pdf

Edit: Which is the same as the old link but I copied the previous post from another one and it didn't translate properly.

[Reason2succeed]

There is no way the NCAA doesn't end up looking foolish. They cannot use their own matrix, because that would literally shut down OM's football program. So no matter the verdict, they will be hypocrites for not imposing their own specific matrix for punishments.

Matrix Link:
http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/matrix.pdf

The only way that the NCAA doesn't look foolish is by "allowing" OM to "self impose" a one or two year death penalty. While everyone thinks this is so nuclear UAB is restarting their program this year after about two years off. Hell, OM will do a PR stunt, throw a party, and get an ESPN special on "the return of OM Football" like they are coming back from doing something valiant.

People forget that there were other circumstances that caused the major damage to SMU. Their entire conference collapsed (which will not happen with the SEC) and they got dropped. Also, their already small inner city fanbase basically abandoned their athletic program. As much as I hate Rebels I think they have more commitment than SMU fans did.

[ShotgunDawg]

I'll play the O/U:
Years 3.5
Skollies 31
Bowl ban 2

And Santa Clauses for erbody!

Tusk, not saying wrong but your guess is based your opinion of what's reasonable and not on the recent penalty matrix that the NCAA designed.

Objectively, it should end up much worse than this.

[Really Clark?]

Guys. Nowhere in the bylaws or matrix does it state they have to stack the penalties with each violation. In fact it does say they can choose which part of the penalties they may or may not use for punishment. And I can't think of a time they have ever just across board added penalties on top of each other when dealing with multiple infractions. Honestly, the base penalty matrix for the starting point of what they are looking at is Level 1 aggravated and the COI will add or subtract accordingly each subsection. That will probably be the minimum. But nowhere are they required to added each penalty together by the matrix standard for each and every penalty. The Fraud and LOIC (especially since that is usually an aggravated offense) will be the starting point of the penalties more than likely then adjust upward from there. The coaches penalty matrix is considered separately from the school as well.

[Dawgowar]

Anything slightly equal or north of USCw and I am happy. Based on all the other decisions I have read several coaches will get an SC. If you look at the cases this past year the COI hands them out pretty regularly for far less.

[preachermatt83]

Guys. Nowhere in the bylaws or matrix does it state they have to stack the penalties with each violation. In fact it does say they can choose which part of the penalties they may or may not use for punishment. And I can't think of a time they have ever just across board added penalties on top of each other when dealing with multiple infractions. Honestly, the base penalty matrix for the starting point of what they are looking at is Level 1 aggravated and the COI will add or subtract accordingly each subsection. That will probably be the minimum. But nowhere are they required to added each penalty together by the matrix standard for each and every penalty. The Fraud and LOIC (especially since that is usually an aggravated offense) will be the starting point of the penalties more than likely then adjust upward from there. The coaches penalty matrix is considered separately from the school as well.

Yup! Ppl just dont get this for some reason.

[lamont]

they are going to get north of USC penalties. How far? Who knows