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Can we get some good talk WRs like we had in the Dak era?
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
You say this despite literally every single offensive category disagreeing with your assessment. Y'all that want us to recruit better at OL just keep brushing off the fact that there is no difference between 3* and 4* offensive lineman in terms of becoming NFL talents. You have to sign elite 5* top ten in the country OL types if you want the closest thing to a guaranteed NFL OL and we are never ever ever going to sign those players. Some of y'all keep chasing stars for OL and it's pointless. You are attracted to recruiting stars period. It gives us no more advantage to sign a 4* OL with offers from Auburn, Florida and Georgia than it does signing a 3* OL with offers from TCU, NCState and Colorado. Yet after reading this you will once again completely ignore it and call for Hevesy to be fired another 2,000 times.
And you're totally ignoring the fact we've been signing a bunch of 1 and 2 star OL. I don't give a damn if Paul is getting their ratings bumped at 247 because he's got one of the biggest sites. It doesn't change that we've been recruiting OL who are not SEC caliber. There's a reason we aren't even competitive against the top 2-3 teams in the SEC and it's always the OL. As for our offensive categories, get back to me when we get into the Top 25 nationally. We've been a very average offense in the age of offensive explosion. Good enough to win 8 or so games but not good enough to make any real noise or win a championship. We only average about 24.5 PPG in SEC play in the Mullen era. That's decent but nothing special.
Originally Posted by
Ifyouonlyknew
I totally agree but Hev has started doing that more in the last few classes but he has to continue to improve & do it with a whole class.
2015 - M. Rankin 5 SEC Offers 10 Power 5 Offers
D. Williams 3 SEC Offers 5 Power 5 Offers
H. Moon 1 SEC Offer 2 Power 5 Offers
M. Story 1 SEC Offer 1 Power 5 Offer
2016 - S. Reese 9 SEC Offers 25 Power 5 Offers
G. Eiland 4 SEC Offers 4 Power 5 Offers
D. Parker 1 SEC Offer 1 Power 5 Offer
2017 - T. Champion 3 SEC Offers 5 Power 5 Offers
T. Phillips 1 SEC Offer 1 Power 5 Offer
C. Suggs 3 SEC Offers 16 Power 5 Offers
J. Cooper 1 SEC Offer 2 Power 5 Offers
M. Richardson 1 SEC Offer 1 Power 5 Offer
2018 - K. Johnson 2 SEC Offers 2 Power 5 Offers
So we've slowly improved but we need a class of Reese, Suggs, Johnson, & Williams all together & people would start to not hate Hev as much.
And this is an example of a useful and encouraging post. Hopefully we'll see the trend continue. But it's also a major concern we only sign 2-3 OL in a class. We should be signing a minimum of 5 every single year. If you only sign 2-3 every one of them have to pan out. If they don't, you wind up with serious depth issues. That's where we are now. But this thread has gotten way off track. My point was simple: We aren't taking a step forward as a program until we start getting better OL players. That isn't just on Hev, it's on the whole staff.
It's the roller coaster of hope that this program keeps us on that makes it hell being a State fan. - CadaverDawg, 10/15/22
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Need to get that Chris Bleich guy out of PA.
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War Machine you are so right about signing minimum of 5 OL, not doing that is why we always have a mix of rookies with the veterans.
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I hope we are following the Clemson method. I really think we are turning the corner and it will only be a matter of time before we get more interest from high profile WRs
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
When Mullen arrived he had a football program with no tradition of sustained winning, no reputation for putting players into the league at skill positions, sub-par facilities, a town with a reputation of being dead, a stadium with ZERO gameday atmosphere, playing in the toughest division in the toughest conference in the country, having to recruit against perennial national powers AND the cheatingist SOBs in the history of CFB.
Even the most enlightened among us - including random posters like C34 - admitted openly that to truly build a program into a contending power would take at least 10 years of bowl games every year and occasional jumps to 10 wins, etc. to consistently get the type players and attention to reverse 100 years of bad football traditions. It was only when Mullen began producing on a national level with 3-stars (years ahead of what EVERYONE thought) that those enlightened souls began dogging began critiquing Mullen for being a bad recruiter, and blaming Dan for not "taking advantage of 2014". Well, starting last year for the first time ever, we are recruiting kids who's only visions of MSU and Starkville are POSITIVE. They have seen Dan put McKinney, Slay, Banks, Jones and Dak - among 28 total guys in NFL camps right now. Twenty-Eight. They have seen us at #1. They have seen us on GameDay. They have seen Starkville featured everywhere. They have seen us put the face of the future on the Dallas Cowboys.
What Dan has built has coming to fruition. And yes, it took 10 years. But, quality, lasting products take time. There are bumps along the way. But we are just now at the point of having everything the big boys have and kids are noticing. The next 10 will show it.
Thank you! Extremely well said!
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Originally Posted by
War Machine Dawg
Good enough to win 8 or so games but not good enough to make any real noise or win a championship.
We didn't suddenly become Alabama or Ohio State because we were ranked #1 for 6 weeks. We are still Mississippi State University but your expectations changed and got way out if front of the steady progress that Dan has been making. It's like you went on a date with Kate Upton and now you expect her to be married to you and have 4 of your kids already.
Btw "good enough to win 8 or so games" on average is something C34 said was IMPOSSIBLE for any coach to ever accomplish at MSU yet the one literally doing the impossible is the one you're bitching about non-stop.
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Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
It's a great pickup. But we still only have 2 4star commits (247 composite) and the class is #24 right now. Still got a lot of work to do.
Alabama only has two and Georgia has zero.
Last edited by Jack Lambert; 05-24-2017 at 01:21 PM.
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
It's like you went on a date with Kate Upton and now you expect her to be married to you and have 4 of your kids already.
The last thing I would be thinking of after a date with Kate Upton would be kids and marriage -
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
We didn't suddenly become Alabama or Ohio State because we were ranked #1 for 6 weeks. We are still Mississippi State University but your expectations changed and got way out if front of the steady progress that Dan has been making. It's like you went on a date with Kate Upton and now you expect her to be married to you and have 4 of your kids already.
Btw "good enough to win 8 or so games" on average is something C34 said was IMPOSSIBLE for any coach to ever accomplish at MSU yet the one literally doing the impossible is the one you're bitching about non-stop.
Don't put words in my mouth. Winning 8 games a year is a huge improvement. No one is talking about consistently competing for a national championship at State in football. But I don't think it's wrong to want to at least have a legitimate shot of making it to Atlanta once every 5-8 years, either. I'm not bitching about Mullen, I'm bitching about the lazy recruiting practices across the entire staff. Mullen seems to be taking a few steps to rectify that, but the biggest culprits are on his side of the football and we haven't seen any serious staff changes over there. We're still bringing a popgun to a full on firefight.
It's the roller coaster of hope that this program keeps us on that makes it hell being a State fan. - CadaverDawg, 10/15/22
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
The last thing I would be thinking of after a date with Kate Upton would be kids and marriage -
+1
It's the roller coaster of hope that this program keeps us on that makes it hell being a State fan. - CadaverDawg, 10/15/22
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
The last thing I would be thinking of after a date with Kate Upton would be kids and marriage -
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Originally Posted by
War Machine Dawg
Don't put words in my mouth. Winning 8 games a year is a huge improvement. No one is talking about consistently competing for a national championship at State in football. But I don't think it's wrong to want to at least have a legitimate shot of making it to Atlanta once every 5-8 years, either
I am not putting words in your mouth but you didn't say the bolded part the last time I quoted you. You made it sound like winning 8 or so games a year was settling when unfortunately for our university it's actually doing the impossible. I want to win championships too brother. We are headed in the right direction and have been for almost a decade now. The progression is slow as molasses but keep in mind that it took Clemson basically thirty years of this steady slow molasses progression before they got their ring. If it makes you feel better our QB situation is better than almost every team in the country right now. We are getting there. Beating Alabama is the next big hurdle imo.
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Originally Posted by
War Machine Dawg
Don't put words in my mouth. Winning 8 games a year is a huge improvement. No one is talking about consistently competing for a national championship at State in football. But I don't think it's wrong to want to at least have a legitimate shot of making it to Atlanta once every 5-8 years, either. I'm not bitching about Mullen, I'm bitching about the lazy recruiting practices across the entire staff. Mullen seems to be taking a few steps to rectify that, but the biggest culprits are on his side of the football and we haven't seen any serious staff changes over there. We're still bringing a popgun to a full on firefight.
And I think we will be competing for a trip to Atlanta every 5-8 years for sure as long as Mullen is here. I think we will be competing for the west every 4-5 years and that would be more than enough to keep me happy for a long time. I don't know if y'all remember just how awful the end of the kang and sly era was but it was absolutely excruciating.
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Originally Posted by
BB30
And I think we will be competing for a trip to Atlanta every 5-8 years for sure as long as Mullen is here. I think we will be competing for the west every 4-5 years and that would be more than enough to keep me happy for a long time. I don't know if y'all remember just how awful the end of the kang and sly era was but it was absolutely excruciating.
Dammit I was trying to forget those times and you reminded me.
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Originally Posted by
BB30
And I think we will be competing for a trip to Atlanta every 5-8 years for sure as long as Mullen is here. I think we will be competing for the west every 4-5 years and that would be more than enough to keep me happy for a long time. I don't know if y'all remember just how awful the end of the kang and sly era was but it was absolutely excruciating.
Aren't these the same thing?
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Seems like we're moving in the right direction and positive steps in right direction are taking place. Not buying just yet tho.
I don't think consistent 8 wins is "impossible" tho. The reason it was so difficult in past was 11 game schedules. With 4 OOC games mostly against lower-tier opponents, it means we have to win 2 East games and, according to everyone on this board, we could easily compete for the East every year **** Then we have to win 2 West games. 8 wins ... piece of cake.
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Given the situation at UM, our recruiting should take a step up by default. Can Mullen make the most of it? We will see.
As for Hev, he reminds me of that no-nonsense coach or teacher that you hated at first but grew to respect over time. I can't imagine that type being good at recruiting HS kids from this generation.
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Originally Posted by
Dawg61
I am not putting words in your mouth but you didn't say the bolded part the last time I quoted you. You made it sound like winning 8 or so games a year was settling when unfortunately for our university it's actually doing the impossible. I want to win championships too brother. We are headed in the right direction and have been for almost a decade now. The progression is slow as molasses but keep in mind that it took Clemson basically thirty years of this steady slow molasses progression before they got their ring. If it makes you feel better our QB situation is better than almost every team in the country right now. We are getting there. Beating Alabama is the next big hurdle imo.
Agree with this completely. And with the game becoming more and more QB driven, that's an extremely positive thing. I just want to make sure we can protect these stud QBs we have. We've seen way too many good QBs over the years wasted at State because of horrendous OL play.
It's the roller coaster of hope that this program keeps us on that makes it hell being a State fan. - CadaverDawg, 10/15/22
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Originally Posted by
dawgday166
Aren't these the same thing?
ha ha pretty close... I basically am saying that I feel we will compete for the west closer to every 4 years than every 8 years.
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