I just cant be mad at this baseball team

[lamont]

Cohen left Cann a shitty team and Cann has done a helluva job making chicken salad out of chicken shit.

Injuries have decimated what would have been a talented rotation.
We have 1 SEC level SP
We have 1 LHP RP capable of getting LHB's out
We have 2 Freshmen that have given us alot of good innings with Self and McQuary. Hell, Denver was recruited more as a position player than a pitcher.
Our "closer" cant throw anything other than a slider. He's a RH'ed specialist for most teams.
The rest our pitching is garbage.

Position players?

We have a great player in Rooker
Cody B, and Gridley are good SEC players
Magnum is good- but has no plate discipline. Cody should be leading off and Magnum batting 3rd. He doesnt take enough pitches to bat leadoff. Anybody drafting Magnum in the top 5 rounds is ****ing up. He's not patient and has no power.
Stovall is made of plastic- but good when healthy.
Belmont is the worst hitting starter in the SEC. And that says alot because we start Poole and Lovelady.

We arent top 10 in the SEC talent-wise with what we put on the field. Cann has done an outstanding job this year no matter how it ends. We need to get healthy and more talent on campus. Thats the bottomline. Terrible job by Cohen of using our 2013 NC bid to elevate the program.
We are in the same place we have been in for the most part for 25 years.

[msstate7]

You say Cann got left a sh*tty team, but then say we'd have a talented rotation if not for injuries. That contradicts itself.

Cohen left Cann a team that's won 17 sec games going into the last weekend. Cann has done a great job, but I'm tired of every win is all Cann and every loss is on cohen. It's garbage.

[beretta]

Belmont better not make an error for the rest of the season or I will set twitter on fire.....all you have to do to get him out is throw high and outside....you can bet your ass our scouting report has maneiri not needing viagra.....pitching to him is like everyone throwing curve balls to Wrea....

[lamont]

You say Cann got left a sh*tty team, but then say we'd have a talented rotation if not for injuries. That contradicts itself.

Cohen left Cann a team that's won 17 sec games going into the last weekend. Cann has done a great job, but I'm tired of every win is all Cann and every loss is on cohen. It's garbage.

lol- was your post serious? If the guys are injured and out for the year- they arent on the team are they???? So yes- Cohen left Cann a shitty ****ing baseball team. Those guys were injured on Cohen's watch. Cann didnt take over the team until January.

Cohen left Cann a team that should be 9-18 or 10-17 in the SEC right now. Cann has done a remarkable job of making it much, much more

[CadaverDawg]

Belmont is the worst hitting starter in the SEC. And that says alot because we start Poole and Lovelady.

This made me chuckle. So freaking true.

[msstate7]

lol- was your post serious? If the guys are injured and out for the year- they arent on the team are they???? So yes- Cohen left Cann a shitty ****ing baseball team. Those guys were injured on Cohen's watch. Cann didnt take over the team until January.

Cohen left Cann a team that should be 9-18 or 10-17 in the SEC right now. Cann has done a remarkable job of making it much, much more

So it's Cann's fault that Blake smith, ashcraft, and rigby are injured?

ETA... breaux was injured this season also

[lamont]

So it's Cann's fault that Blake smith, ashcraft, and rigby are injured?

It's on his watch- so while it could be Cohen-related- Cann gets the ultimate blame.

The lack of talent in the position players is all Cohen. As we learned with Jackie- you live by the juco guys- you die by the juco guys.

[basedog]

So it's Cann's fault that Blake smith, ashcraft, and rigby are injured?

The point is, Cann has done a great job.

[basedog]

It's on his watch- so while it could be Cohen-related- Cann get the ultimate blame.

The lack of talent in the position players is all Cohen. As we learned with Jackie- you live by the juco guys- you die by the juco guys.

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[msstate7]

It's on his watch- so while it could be Cohen-related- Cann get the ultimate blame.

The lack of talent in the position players is all Cohen. As we learned with Jackie- you live by the juco guys- you die by the juco guys.

Team rankings in sec:
Avg = 3rd
Slugging = 3rd
I don't think you rank this high with "11-14" talent

We do have issues on offense though...
Ks = 13th
BB = 14th
This could indicate an approach problem.

[HSVDawg]

lol- was your post serious? If the guys are injured and out for the year- they arent on the team are they???? So yes- Cohen left Cann a shitty ****ing baseball team. Those guys were injured on Cohen's watch. Cann didnt take over the team until January.

Cohen left Cann a team that should be 9-18 or 10-17 in the SEC right now. Cann has done a remarkable job of making it much, much more

And it was a Cohen hire in Henderson that has patchworked this staff together after the injuries. You don't win 17 SEC games (with 3 yet to play) without a shitload of talent somewhere. Just can't happen. With us, its the top of the order and the top 2-3 guys out of the pen along with Pilk. That talent is attributable to Cohen and no one else.

All that being said, Cann has done an incredible job on the chemistry aspect and getting these guys to go balls out when they have had every excuse to pack it in. So I don't want to come across as taking anything away from what he's done. And you are right that this team probably should be 9-18 or 10-17 in the SEC, but not because of lack of talent. Chemistry and experience were always the biggest concerns, but we have overcome both of those obstacles 10x better than anyone could have expected.

[msstate7]

And it was a Cohen hire in Henderson that has patchworked this staff together after the injuries. You don't win 17 SEC games (with 3 yet to play) without a shitload of talent somewhere. Just can't happen. With us, its the top of the order and the top 2-3 guys out of the pen along with Pilk. That talent is attributable to Cohen and no one else.

All that being said, Cann has done an incredible job on the chemistry aspect and getting these guys to go balls out when they have had every excuse to pack it in. So I don't want to come across as taking anything away from what he's done. And you are right that this team probably should be 9-18 or 10-17 in the SEC, but not because of lack of talent. Chemistry and experience were always the biggest concerns, but we have overcome both of those obstacles 10x better than anyone could have expected.

You come across much better than me. I'm not anti-Cann... I love the guy and think he's a HR. I just really don't like running cohen in the ground. Cohen won the sec last year and left a team that has a chance to repeat going into the last weekend. There's no reason why John Cohen should be run down by state fans

[lamont]

Team rankings in sec:
Avg = 3rd
Slugging = 3rd
I don't think you rank this high with "11-14" talent

We do have issues on offense though...
Ks = 13th
BB = 14th
This could indicate an approach problem.

a team is more than a batting average and a slugging percentage.

We are 13th in the SEC in ERA
We are 10th in OBP
We are 8th in runs scored
We are 14th in BB's at the plate
We are 12th in the SEC in K's
We are 9th in opposing BA
We are 14th in runners picked off
We are 14th in BB's on the mound
We are 13th in HBP's

We won games with Rooker being hot, good defense, and our pitching being able to get out of enough jams to keep us in games. We just arent that talented at the end of the day- we've been extremely lucky and opportunistic.

[lamont]

You come across much better than me. I'm not anti-Cann... I love the guy and think he's a HR. I just really don't like running cohen in the ground. Cohen won the sec last year and left a team that has a chance to repeat going into the last weekend. There's no reason why John Cohen should be run down by state fans

Cohen didnt leave a team that had a chance of repeating. This team has way overachieved and still wont win the SEC. You have to stop being so sensitive about Cohen. He left what he left. Just like Mullen's 2016 football team was shitty. It was what it was. He gets a chance to do it again in 2017

[I seen it dawg]

You know sometimes baseball can't be judged by stats alone...of course if you've never played it you wouldn't understand...

[msstate7]

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[Todd4State]

Team rankings in sec:
Avg = 3rd
Slugging = 3rd
I don't think you rank this high with "11-14" talent

We do have issues on offense though...
Ks = 13th
BB = 14th
This could indicate an approach problem.

It also could indicate a talent problem. You can either see the ball and hit it or you can't. I heard Albert Pujols talking about hitting about 10 years ago and he had pretty much the EXACT SAME approach as what I was taught as a child. The difference is he's ****ing Albert Pujols and I'm Todd4State. I think Cann probably has coached our guys up past some of their talent level- which is a good thing but he can't go up and swing the bat for them. And what would our stats be without Rooker in the lineup?

I love Cohen as much as anybody and I'm VERY thankful that he was able to get us at least back to where we were before Polk II. But I'm also very thankful that he was able to step aside at the right time and hand the program off to someone that can take us to the next level beyond what we are right now.

I don't think he left us in dumpster fire mode thank God. But I don't think anything much would have gotten better either. We would have good looking classes on paper until the draft completely guts our class and then we raid the JUCO's for players that have half the talent of the initial signees and then we would all be surprised when none of our juniors drafted past round 12 all leave.

[blacklistedbully]

a team is more than a batting average and a slugging percentage.

We are 13th in the SEC in ERA
We are 10th in OBP
We are 8th in runs scored
We are 14th in BB's at the plate
We are 12th in the SEC in K's
We are 9th in opposing BA
We are 14th in runners picked off
We are 14th in BB's on the mound
We are 13th in HBP's

We won games with Rooker being hot, good defense, and our pitching being able to get out of enough jams to keep us in games. We just arent that talented at the end of the day- we've been extremely lucky and opportunistic.

This. I'd add our guys are scrappy as hell, and keep fighting to the end, but I agree with RP on this one. Mstate7, you are notorious for cherry-picking stats, sometimes useless ones to "win" an argument. Don't get me wrong, I use that tactic a lot myself.

But that's what I think you are doing here. I love this team, and get annoyed when some of you start declaring the "game over/season over/host over" almost every time we fall behind a few runs early in a game. But as much as I really admire how these kids have fought back to win so many times, it has definitely felt as though we were playing with "house money", and that the time was coming where we were gonna get hit with a dose of reality.

Until this week, they had just found a way, in spite of our deficiencies, and it finally caught up to us. Hopefully they can find a way to overcome them again vs LSU. These kids have shown us they can do it. Do I think we are more talented than LSU? No, not with our injuries. Do I think we will sweep LSU? Not likely, but I damn sure would not bet against it, and I damn sure won't be one of those fans who declares the sky is falling in the 3rd inning.

These kids have earned the right for me to hang in there with them to the last strike of the last out of the last game. I admire heart and fight. Our boys have got that in spades.

[msstate7]

This. I'd add our guys are scrappy as hell, and keep fighting to the end, but I agree with RP on this one. Mstate7, you are notorious for cherry-picking stats, sometimes useless ones to "win" an argument. Don't get me wrong, I use that tactic a lot myself.

But that's what I think you are doing here. I love this team, and get annoyed when some of you start declaring the "game over/season over/host over" almost every time we fall behind a few runs early in a game. But as much as I really admire how these kids have fought back to win so many times, it has definitely felt as though we were playing with "house money", and that the time was coming where we were gonna get hit with a dose of reality.

Until this week, they had just found a way, in spite of our deficiencies, and it finally caught up to us. Hopefully they can find a way to overcome them again vs LSU. These kids have shown us they can do it. Do I think we are more talented than LSU? No, not with our injuries. Do I think we will sweep LSU? Not likely, but I damn sure would not bet against it, and I damn sure won't be one of those fans who declares the sky is falling in the 3rd inning.

These kids have earned the right for me to hang in there with them to the last strike of the last out of the last game. I admire heart and fight. Our boys have got that in spades.

Slugging isn't a cherry picked stat...

'15 slugging leaders and place in sec...
#1 - lsu (sec champs)
#2 - aTm (2nd in west)
#3 - vandy (1st in east)
#4 - Florida (2nd in east)

'16 slugging leaders and place in sec...
#1 - aTm (2nd in west)
#2 - state (champs)
#3 - lsu (3rd in west)

'17...
#1 - Kentucky
#2 - Arkansas
#3 - state
#4 - lsu

Slugging is a great indicator of team success

[blacklistedbully]

Slugging isn't a cherry picked stat...

'15 slugging leaders and place in sec...
#1 - lsu (sec champs)
#2 - aTm (2nd in west)
#3 - vandy (1st in east)
#4 - Florida (2nd in east)

'16 slugging leaders and place in sec...
#1 - aTm (2nd in west)
#2 - state (champs)
#3 - lsu (3rd in west)

'17...
#1 - Kentucky
#2 - Arkansas
#3 - state
#4 - lsu

Slugging is a great indicator of team success

I appreciate the civil response, but what of RP's stats?