Still don't understand how Cohen could

[lamont]

C'mon Random, I call BS.

Call BS all you want- thats what happened

[Todd4State]

C'mon Random, I call BS.

What RP said was the rumor I heard as well. We also interviewed Corbin to replace Polk II as well before that.

[dawgoneyall]

C'mon Random, I call BS.

From some unnamed people he was given a call/look see. But I think cann was his personal 1st choice but would have taken corbin if he had been interested. ( And I heard he was somewhat interested...never understood that)

[shannondawg]

And here we go!!!!!

[DownwardDawg]

And here we go!!!!!

He can't help it. Lol

[basedog]

And here we go!!!!!

Careful there grandpa****

[basedog]

Whatever, Cann is a great hire but so was Henderson.

Seems to be a great combo, both are known as good recruiters.

[dawgoneyall]

Whatever, Cann is a great hire but so was Henderson.

Seems to be a great combo, both are known as good recruiters.

Henderson may be the best "fell in a barrel of shi* and came out smelling like a rose" for MSU ever.

[Commercecomet24]

If you look at the stats we're about on pace to bunt just as much with Cann as we did with Cohen. We bunted 35 times last year and this year we have 28 with two weeks plus at least two weeks of postseason ball to go. The difference is we don't have a poster going full blast about how dumb bunting is every time we bunt in a sad attempt to try to be the best baseball poster on the planet.

Exactly! There's so many different philosophies that can work in
Baseball. Because a person doesn't agree with that particular philosophy doesn't mean it won't be successful. I personally don't like bunting accept in certain situations when it can put the game winning run in scoring position with a weak hitter at the plate. That being said cohen proved you can be extremely successful employing that philosophy. There are just so many different ways to run a successful offense in baseball that's it's crazy for someone to dislike a coach just because you don't agree with it. Well said, Todd.

[Todd4State]

Exactly! There's so many different philosophies that can work in
Baseball. Because a person doesn't agree with that particular philosophy doesn't mean it won't be successful. I personally don't like bunting accept in certain situations when it can put the game winning run in scoring position with a weak hitter at the plate. That being said cohen proved you can be extremely successful employing that philosophy. There are just so many different ways to run a successful offense in baseball that's it's crazy for someone to dislike a coach just because you don't agree with it. Well said, Todd.

Exactly. I've seen teams win with a LOT of small ball like the Cardinals in the 80's and I've seen teams win that were three run home run type teams. The common denominator is pitching and defense in both situations. Your offense is dictated by the players you have and their skill sets.

I personally like a good balance of both power and small ball- pretty similar to what we're seeing from Cann. Tony LaRussa did a lot of that when he was with the Cardinals in the late 1990's and early 2000's and also with the A's before that- you would see Fernando Vina bunt or squeeze a run home and then McGwire and or Pujols would then park one into the upper deck. The one thing I didn't like about Cohen was I thought he didn't try to steal bases enough and seemed to default to the bunt. Cann is much better about stealing and using the hit and run more than Cohen- and doing that to me actually makes the bunt aspect more successful. And it seems to me that we're as good or better at bunting for hits and sacrificing under Cann than we were under Cohen.

I remember being at the Governor's Cup this year and I LOVED watching Bianco freak out and throw about 10 pick offs because he was paranoid about us running on them. That's what speed and pressure can do. And while I'm on that game- the KEY moment in that game was when we had Stovall on and then Mangum hits a slow ground ball to third base and his speed caused Bortles to misplay the ball or at least have to field the ball cleanly to record an out. Well, that brought up Mr. Rooker and he hits a bomb on the berm in left center to essentially win the game. That's how I like baseball offense.

[Commercecomet24]

Exactly. I've seen teams win with a LOT of small ball like the Cardinals in the 80's and I've seen teams win that were three run home run type teams. The common denominator is pitching and defense in both situations. Your offense is dictated by the players you have and their skill sets.

I personally like a good balance of both power and small ball- pretty similar to what we're seeing from Cann. Tony LaRussa did a lot of that when he was with the Cardinals in the late 1990's and early 2000's and also with the A's before that- you would see Fernando Vina bunt or squeeze a run home and then McGwire and or Pujols would then park one into the upper deck. The one thing I didn't like about Cohen was I thought he didn't try to steal bases enough and seemed to default to the bunt. Cann is much better about stealing and using the hit and run more than Cohen- and doing that to me actually makes the bunt aspect more successful. And it seems to me that we're as good or better at bunting for hits and sacrificing under Cann than we were under Cohen.

I remember being at the Governor's Cup this year and I LOVED watching Bianco freak out and throw about 10 pick offs because he was paranoid about us running on them. That's what speed and pressure can do. And while I'm on that game- the KEY moment in that game was when we had Stovall on and then Mangum hits a slow ground ball to third base and his speed caused Bortles to misplay the ball or at least have to field the ball cleanly to record an out. Well, that brought up Mr. Rooker and he hits a bomb on the berm in left center to essentially win the game. That's how I like baseball offense.

I love the running game in baseball. It changes the way defenses do everything. It puts so much pressure on the defense. I even run my slower guys just pick the spots. It makes the other team know every time you have a base runner the potential is there for a steal or hit and run. Changes pitch selection, defensive alignments, everything.

[msstate7]

Disagree- Cohen finally realized last season how insane the bunting was and stopped wasting outs at midseason.

2015- 41 sac bunts
2014- 60 sac bunts
2013- 57 sac bunts
2012- 67 sac bunts

us being at 28 under Cann shows the difference in mentality

There's a ball change you're not taking into account

[lamont]

There's a ball change you're not taking into account

It wouldnt matter. LSU didnt bunt as much as we did the last few years

[Todd4State]

It wouldnt matter. LSU didnt bunt as much as we did the last few years

Actually with Cann there they bunted 36 times to our 35 last year. And then his first year they bunted 31 times. We're about on pace with what his offenses have typically done in that arena.

Kentucky leads the conference far and away in bunts with 42 compared to our 28 which ranks fourth in the SEC currently.

And we all know who Kentucky's coach is.

[lamont]

Actually with Cann there they bunted 36 times to our 35 last year. And then his first year they bunted 31 times. We're about on pace with what his offenses have typically done in that arena.

Kentucky leads the conference far and away in bunts with 42 compared to our 28 which ranks fourth in the SEC currently.

And we all know who Kentucky's coach is.

A) Maneiri was making alot of those calls
B) As I stated- they didnt bunt as much as us the last few years. 10 more bunts by us over them in 2015. That's alot.

Sac Bunting has its place in baseball- just not in the 1st 3 innings

[CadaverDawg]

A) Maneiri was making alot of those calls
B) As I stated- they didnt bunt as much as us the last few years. 10 more bunts by us over them in 2015. That's alot.

Sac Bunting has its place in baseball- just not in the 1st 3 innings

One post before this, you used LSU bunting stats to defend your point, then in the next post you used "Manieri made some of those calls" to defend another. C'mon man.

Side note: Nothing pisses me off more than someone that says "never do _____" in baseball. That's what makes baseball special, that every game and every situation is different. Like yesterday, one might say "Never let Jolly throw fastballs to this guy", and Jolly threw 4 straight heaters and K'd the guy without him taking the bat off his shoulder. Fooled him completely.
Same can be said for sac bunting early. If a guy has your number and you have a chance to scratch a run across, sometimes the situation calls for it. And despite the criticism many gave Cohen for his bunting...we won a lot of close games where our momentum started from a bunt single, scratching a run out with a sac bunt, or bunting and our opponent making an error on it. Cohen knew he had Butch and that it wouldn't take but a few runs to get the job done...and he was usually right. Then last year....no Butch, less bunt. Give Cohen some credit...just bc he didn't win the way some of you would have tried to win....he won, a lot.
But the whole, "never sac bunt early in a game" thing is just hot air. You do what you gotta do to win, and nobody knows their team like the coach...so there's a method to whatever chess move is made. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Saying "no place for bunting early in a game" is just someone trying to seem like they know more than they do about baseball imo. This side note is not directed at any one person either, just my thoughts in general.

I'll get off my soapbox now. I just hate when people use absolutes in baseball. Baseball is NEVER a game of absolutes.

[dawgoneyall]

It wouldnt matter. LSU didnt bunt as much as we did the last few years

Steroids are wonderful drugs.

[gravedigger]

There are just so many different ways to run a successful offense in baseball that's it's crazy for someone to dislike a coach just because you don't agree with it.

An indisputable point that will NEVER be understood by some fans. They are so stuck on bogus talent evaluations,some strategy of the day or some dislike for a coach that they cannot fathom not having the one true answer for why a team is winning or losing. Happens in all sports.

It's never ONE thing. Never.

I will say that the manner in how a staff relates to players and a clear vision of the head coach to them weigh heavily.

But batting orders and Recruiting rankings and motion offenses aren't nearly the culprits they are given credit for being.

[msstate7]

A) Maneiri was making alot of those calls
B) As I stated- they didnt bunt as much as us the last few years. 10 more bunts by us over them in 2015. That's alot.

Sac Bunting has its place in baseball- just not in the 1st 3 innings

You realize Cann bunted in the 3rd vs auburn and aTm, right? Lost the auburn game 17-8 and lost aTm game 9-2

[gravedigger]

A) Maneiri was making alot of those calls
B) As I stated- they didnt bunt as much as us the last few years. 10 more bunts by us over them in 2015. That's alot.

Sac Bunting has its place in baseball- just not in the 1st 3 innings

Yes it does at its appropriate time. Just not in every game's 1st 3 innings. When you are facing a conference ace, sure. When The situation calls for it. Polk didn't call for a bunt in any inning after Tony Gage got picked off in the 80's in the CWS. That was a poor strategy too.