When (If) Ole Miss is kicked out of the SEC for cheating like no one else has before;

[EngDawg]

Should we still play them? We don't play USM so why should we play UM when they're in the Sunbelt?

[TUSK]

No.

[msbulldog]

No.

You don't have a vote!

[TUSK]

You don't have a vote!

Dang. I thought since The REC gottem probated, we'd get a vote.

My bad.

Regardless, playin em is "all & all", a poor decision.

[Pollodawg]

Guaranteed wins. It'll probably be that anyway for the next five or six seasons, though.

[WSOPdawg]

Should we still play them? We don't play USM so why should we play UM when they're in the Sunbelt?

If they get kicked out of the SEC, it'll be because they got the DP which means they could no longer contribute to the SEC financially as football generates probably 90% of revenues. The SEC won't want a cheating institution mooching off the remaining members that can generate revenue.

I anxiously await for the headline on your Dallas Morning News pic to say "Ole Miss football canceled for 2018".

[HSVDawg]

If they get kicked out of the SEC, it'll be because they got the DP which means they could no longer contribute to the SEC financially as football generates probably 90% of revenues. The SEC won't want a cheating institution mooching off the remaining members that can generate revenue.

I anxiously await for the headline on your Dallas Morning News pic to say "Ole Miss football canceled for 2018".

The only way they can get kicked out (as a charter member) would be a unanimous vote of the other 13 member institutions. It will never happen. And oddly enough, the reason it will never happen is the school that would absolutely benefit the most from them leaving (MSU) would never vote for it to happen because the IHL and maybe even state legislature would intervene and put an insurmountable amount of political pressure to make sure MSU's vote goes the way they want it. And if its Keenum's political pandering ass that gets to issue our vote, he won't need any extra incentive. He'll vote for them to stay and start counting those OM fan votes he picked up when he runs for Senate / governor / etc.

[basedog]

Ain't gonna happen.

[Reason2succeed]

Ain't gonna happen.

That wasn't the question. The man said IF!!!

I say no. Why give them an opportunity to one up us? They will have nothing if kicked out of the SEC. The Egg Bowl would be even more important to them. We might actually become their real rival.***

Even if they got an invite to the Big 12 they would have lost so much being kicked out of the SEC that I wouldn't want to give them any opportunity to regain their swag.

[Liverpooldawg]

That wasn't the question. The man said IF!!!

I say no. Why give them an opportunity to one up us? They will have nothing if kicked out of the SEC. The Egg Bowl would be even more important to them. We might actually become their real rival.***

Even if they got an invite to the Big 12 they would have lost so much being kicked out of the SEC that I wouldn't want to give them any opportunity to regain their swag.

If they get kincked out of the SEC, the Big 12 won't take them. Too many SWC memories there for that. I'm thinking Sun Belt, at best.

[WSOPdawg]

Ain't gonna happen.

Oh ye of little faith, naive non-believers. Just because it's never happened before in the modern age DOESN'T mean it can't happen with this group who refuses to play by the rules. SMU will soon get to breathe a collective sigh of relief as they will no longer be the poster child for NCAA criminality and punishment.

[basedog]

Oh ye of little faith, naive non-believers. Just because it's never happened before in the modern age DOESN'T mean it can't happen with this group who refuses to play by the rules. SMU will soon get to breathe a collective sigh of relief as they will no longer be the poster child for NCAA criminality and punishment.

I see you have only 10 vCash. I bet you that amount. Book it Danno! You in?

[WSOPdawg]

I see you have only 10 vCash. I bet you that amount. Book it Danno! You in?

Nah man, I only got 10 vCash because I hedged my bet on whether or not Freeze will be coach to start the year and split my action both ways

But in all seriousness, I would normally agree with you in that there's no way they get removed, but we are so far out of the norm with TCUN and this case, and I truly think the NCAA has to hammer them as specified by their new penalty matrix or they become irrelevant and a laughing farce to their constituents.

[WSOPdawg]

The only way they can get kicked out (as a charter member) would be a unanimous vote of the other 13 member institutions. It will never happen. And oddly enough, the reason it will never happen is the school that would absolutely benefit the most from them leaving (MSU) would never vote for it to happen because the IHL and maybe even state legislature would intervene and put an insurmountable amount of political pressure to make sure MSU's vote goes the way they want it. And if its Keenum's political pandering ass that gets to issue our vote, he won't need any extra incentive. He'll vote for them to stay and start counting those OM fan votes he picked up when he runs for Senate / governor / etc.

Oh ye of little faith, naive non-believers. Just because it's never happened before in the modern age DOESN'T mean it can't happen with this group who refuses to play by the rules. SMU will soon get to breathe a collective sigh of relief as they will no longer be the poster child for NCAA criminality and punishment.

So we can put HSVDawg and basedog in the "Oh ye of little faith, naive non-believer" category.

HSVDawg, I thought someone posted a short while ago that only 60% of current members is now needed to remove teams from the conference. But again, it gets back to if TCUN can't compete by putting a team on the field, the SEC has to replace them on the schedule with somebody and why let another institution "mooch" off the revenues if they can't positively contribute to the revenues. Don't say "it will never happen" just because it hasn't happened to-date in the modern age of the SEC.

[basedog]

So we can put HSVDawg and basedog in the "Oh ye of little faith, naive non-believer" category.

HSVDawg, I thought someone posted a short while ago that only 60% of current members is now needed to remove teams from the conference. But again, it gets back to if TCUN can't compete by putting a team on the field, the SEC has to replace them on the schedule with somebody and why let another institution "mooch" off the revenues if they can't positively contribute to the revenues. Don't say "it will never happen" just because it hasn't happened to-date in the modern age of the SEC.

It's not just football that would be a nightmare for other SEC schools to rework their schedules, but ALL sports.

Hey, anything can happen but eliminating them from the SEC is a big IF.

Better chance for death penalty > than kicking them out. Death penalty is another IF, hey I would love to see the worse happen to them so don't get me wrong, like you said WSOPdawg, I don't believe it will happen.

[WSOPdawg]

It's not just football that would be a nightmare for other SEC schools to rework their schedules, but ALL sports.

Hey, anything can happen but eliminating them from the SEC is a big IF.

Better chance for death penalty > than kicking them out. Death penalty is another IF, hey I would love to see the worse happen to them so don't get me wrong, like you said WSOPdawg, I don't believe it will happen.

I agree basedog in that it's a BIG if.

In fact, I'd almost like to see them NOT get the DP but get absolutely hammered as the NCAA systematically runs through their new penalty matrix and applies scholarship losses for EACH individual Level I and Level II violation just to see the total add up to 55 or 60 lost scholarships. Then tack on 3-4 years of lost bowl appearances and the Bears are doomed for the next 10-20 years.

They'd almost shut their football program down on their own. Again, it's either gonna be bad (30+ scholarship losses and 2 year bowl penalty) -OR- it's gonna be REALLY BAD (40+ scholarship losses and 3+ year bowl penalty). Just depends on how the NCAA applies it to their new penalty matrix.

[HSVDawg]

So we can put HSVDawg and basedog in the "Oh ye of little faith, naive non-believer" category.

HSVDawg, I thought someone posted a short while ago that only 60% of current members is now needed to remove teams from the conference. But again, it gets back to if TCUN can't compete by putting a team on the field, the SEC has to replace them on the schedule with somebody and why let another institution "mooch" off the revenues if they can't positively contribute to the revenues. Don't say "it will never happen" just because it hasn't happened to-date in the modern age of the SEC.

This is absolutely incorrect. If it were true, both MSU and OM would have been voted out 20+ years ago so that other schools could get our cut of the pie. The bylaws require a unanimous vote from the other members to kick out a charter member. And you are a crazy person if you think the backwards ass MS political machine (largely controlled by OM) wouldn't go to the ends of the earth to make sure they don't get the boot. That would include the IHL not renewing contracts of Keenum or Cohen if they didn't vote the way they wanted.

[Dawgpile]

From the SEC bylaws, apparently last updated July, 2014:

*3.1.3 Suspension of Membership. Membership may be suspended at a meeting of the Chief Executive Officers. A
member may be suspended at any time by a vote of at least two-thirds of the members, either indefinitely or for a stated
period, for any conduct deemed to be incompatible with membership. [Clarified/Conformed 6/1/11]
*3.1.4 Termination of Membership. Membership may be terminated voluntarily by the resignation of a member or
involuntarily at a meeting of the Chief Executive Officers. A vote of at least two-thirds of the members is required to
terminate membership. Any motion to terminate membership shall specify the effective date of the proposed termination.
[Clarified/Conformed 6/1/11]

[The Federalist Engineer]

This is absolutely incorrect. If it were true, both MSU and OM would have been voted out 20+ years ago so that other schools could get our cut of the pie. The bylaws require a unanimous vote from the other members to kick out a charter member. And you are a crazy person if you think the backwards ass MS political machine (largely controlled by OM) wouldn't go to the ends of the earth to make sure they don't get the boot. That would include the IHL not renewing contracts of Keenum or Cohen if they didn't vote the way they wanted.

The strategy is that Keenum and Cohen don't say a damned thing before the vote, then last minute recuse themselves from the vote. If fired, they get a baller settlement and give MSU the greatest-gift to future prosperity.

[Liverpooldawg]

It won't happen but if they did by all means play them. I'd really enjoy beating them 80%+ in most sports.