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    Show cause question to anyone that may know

    If a coach is given a show cause, does this mean he can't be employed for the length of the show cause punishment? Secondly, if a coach on staff receives a show cause does this mean he is terminated immediately, or after all appeals have been exhausted if he/she decides to appeal their show cause? Thanks for your input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodaski View Post
    If a coach is given a show cause, does this mean he can't be employed for the length of the show cause punishment? Secondly, if a coach on staff receives a show cause does this mean he is terminated immediately, or after all appeals have been exhausted if he/she decides to appeal their show cause? Thanks for your input.
    Show cause means that the coach cannot be brought on by a member institution for the length of the show cause unless they explain to the Council on Infractions a valid reason as to bring the person onto the staff. They also must show extreme compliance to all NCAA policies and prove that they can ensure the compliance of the coach/official in question of the show cause.

    If a coach is punished by way of show cause, it usually means that all other options have been exhausted. Usually they are terminated on the spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRef View Post
    Show cause means that the coach cannot be brought on by a member institution for the length of the show cause unless they explain to the Council on Infractions a valid reason as to bring the person onto the staff. They also must show extreme compliance to all NCAA policies and prove that they can ensure the compliance of the coach/official in question of the show cause.

    If a coach is punished by way of show cause, it usually means that all other options have been exhausted. Usually they are terminated on the spot.
    Can't a person with a SHOW CAUSE -- work at college but NOT in a Division 1 school? I await the SHOW CAUSE.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimi's Babies View Post
    Can't a person with a SHOW CAUSE -- work at college but NOT in a Division 1 school? I await the SHOW CAUSE.....
    Actually they can still work in another capacity at a D1 school as long as it's Oregon State***
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    Oh my goodness.....

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    If Freeze gets a show-cause...OM will have to fire him. No ifs, ands, or buts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Poster View Post
    If Freeze gets a show-cause...OM will have to fire him. No ifs, ands, or buts
    I agree. And they should be able to avoid paying the contract balance. Which is why they will ride this out till the end

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Poster View Post
    If Freeze gets a show-cause...OM will have to fire him. No ifs, ands, or buts
    It wouldn't surprise me at all if they went before the NCAA and tried to retain him. No other school in the country would have kept Andy Kennedy after the international incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg View Post
    It wouldn't surprise me at all if they went before the NCAA and tried to retain him. No other school in the country would have kept Andy Kennedy after the international incident.
    **** that ball headed shitbird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg View Post
    It wouldn't surprise me at all if they went before the NCAA and tried to retain him. No other school in the country would have kept Andy Kennedy after the international incident.
    The NCAA would tell them to go 17 themselves...I have this on good authority...
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    Here is a pretty good explanation from Wikipedia:

    In the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA), a show-cause penalty is an administrative punishment ordering that any NCAA penalties imposed on a coach found to have committed major rules violations will stay in effect against that coach for a specified period of time—and could also be transferred to any other NCAA-member school that hires the coach while the sanctions are still in effect. Both the school and coach are required to send letters to the NCAA agreeing to abide by any restrictions imposed. They must also report back to the NCAA every six months until either the end of the coach's employment or the show-cause penalty (whichever comes first). If the school wishes to avoid the NCAA penalties imposed on that coach, the college must send representatives to appear before the NCAA's Committee on Infractions, and "show cause" (i.e., prove the existence of good reason) as to why it should not be penalized for hiring that coach.[1] The penalty is intended to prevent a coach from escaping violations that he/she had a role in committing or allowing—which are generally applied to the school (e.g., lost scholarships, forfeited wins) -- by merely resigning and taking a coaching job at another, un-penalized school. It is currently the most severe penalty that can be brought against an American collegiate coach.

    Contrary to popular belief, an NCAA member school is allowed to hire a coach who is under an ongoing show-cause order. However, the show-cause restrictions make it prohibitively difficult for a coach with a show-cause order to get another collegiate job. As mentioned above, any school that hires a coach with an outstanding show-cause order can be penalized merely for hiring him. Additionally, that school could be severely punished if such a coach commits additional violations while the show-cause order is still in effect.[2] Consequently, most schools will not even consider hiring a coach with a show-cause penalty in effect, meaning that it usually has the effect of blackballing that coach from the collegiate ranks for the duration of the penalty. Many coaches who receive a show-cause penalty never coach again, even after the penalty expires, since a large number of athletic directors and university presidents are unwilling to hire someone with a history of major violations.[3]

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandwolf View Post
    Here is a pretty good explanation from Wikipedia:
    They COULD keep him. But if they have any delusional thoughts about operating in some new scheme they are just painting a bigger bullseye on their back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgowar View Post
    They COULD keep him. But if they have any delusional thoughts about operating in some new scheme they are just painting a bigger bullseye on their back.
    Yea, Steve was asked about this a while back and he basically said that if the NCAA were to hit Freeze with a show cause and OM didn't fire him, they could pretty much count on the NCAA setting up a satellite office in Oxford. If he gets a show cause, he is done.

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    *If* they tried to keep him anyway, he would be suspended for some amount of time (years) before he could continue working? I had assumed this would be the case, since suspensions are usually considered a lesser penalty, and otherwise a school might school to keep a coach and hope to stay clean (or covert) through the extra scrutiny...

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    The only time I believe a coach with a show cause was hired was Bruce Pearl at Auburn. He only had a few months to go and I don't believe he coached a game until his show cause had expired. Can't remember others but there may have been.

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