Tomorrow's starter?

[state66]

I know we have been harsh on Gary Henderson but he is having to make due with half a staff. Starting Mangum today and throwing Cole Gordon at length yesterday just shows how desperate we are for arms.

[Homedawg]

I know we have been harsh on Gary Henderson but he is having to make due with half a staff. Starting Mangum today and throwing Cole Gordon at length yesterday just shows how desperate we are for arms.

I don't know how you can even form an opinion on Henderson at this point. We don't even have 1/2 our staff and just about everyone has had a blown putting out of the pen and most multiple. Hindsight is easy from in front of the keyboard.

[TNDawg35]

I know we have been harsh on Gary Henderson but he is having to make due with half a staff. Starting Mangum today and throwing Cole Gordon at length yesterday just shows how desperate we are for arms.

We are harsh with him because our pitchers cant throw strikes. In 155 innings pitched, we have issued 87 walks and hit another 16 people. Every game we have blown this yr that we should have won, were due to the big inning the other team had, we started it with walked... How many times have we walked a batter in the 9th inning holding a lead... If we would limit the batters we walked and hit, we wouldnt be that bad in the pen.

[ETDawg]

Pitching coach hasn't throw a pitch yet this year!

[I seen it dawg]

I don't know how you can even form an opinion on Henderson at this point. We don't even have 1/2 our staff and just about everyone has had a blown putting out of the pen and most multiple. Hindsight is easy from in front of the keyboard.

We walk too many ****ing people. It's my only beef at this point. Not one pitcher on our staff would be here at this level if he can't throw strikes and compete in the zone. He needs to get in their ass more and make them challenge hitters. It's not a skill thing at this point it's a not in their ass enough thing.

[I seen it dawg]

Mangum is starting

Well there you go.

[basedog]

Pitching coach hasn't throw a pitch yet this year!

Well said as we have some arm chair pitchers better than Bob Gibson. Henderson is a good pitching coach, he hasn't been dealt with a very good hand.

[basedog]

We walk too many ****ing people. It's my only beef at this point. Not one pitcher on our staff would be here at this level if he can't throw strikes and compete in the zone. He needs to get in their ass more and make them challenge hitters. It's not a skill thing at this point it's a not in their ass enough thing.

It is a skill in throwing strikes.

[I seen it dawg]

It is a skill in throwing strikes.

But that skill is already in them or they wouldn't be here in our program. Right now some of our young guys pitch too much like pussies. They nibble around the plate trying to be too fine when their stuff is electric and they should be challenging guys. It's a mentality. That's Hendersons job to pound that into them. Walking so many guys is mental not physical. This is something that can be beaten out of a pitcher.

[basedog]

But that skill is already in them or they wouldn't be here in our program. Right now some of our young guys pitch too much like pussies. They nibble around the plate trying to be too fine when their stuff is electric and they should be challenging guys. It's a mentality. That's Hendersons job to pound that into them. Walking so many guys is mental not physical. This is something that can be beaten out of a pitcher.

I want disagree except they are young and need experience, they aren't high profile pro prospects at the moment. Young pitchers are like a young boy getting his first piece of ass, they try not to shoot off fast and are way to careful or either they just blow it fast! Experience will help. Not having the injured pitchers has hurt with leadership for the young guys to learn from. Players can help more than coaches a lot of the times.

[Tbonewannabe]

But that skill is already in them or they wouldn't be here in our program. Right now some of our young guys pitch too much like pussies. They nibble around the plate trying to be too fine when their stuff is electric and they should be challenging guys. It's a mentality. That's Hendersons job to pound that into them. Walking so many guys is mental not physical. This is something that can be beaten out of a pitcher.

Cohen and Butch had this same issue their first year at MSU except they didn't have half the team out due to injury. Didn't Henderson come in late in the fall? These coaches haven't been around the players enough to really get a feel for everyone. This team doesn't give up so hopefully they will keep getting better as the year goes on. Some of these young pitchers have to step up or this team will be lucky to get to a Regional.

[I seen it dawg]

I want disagree except they are young and need experience, they aren't high profile pro prospects at the moment. Young pitchers are like a young boy getting his first piece of ass, they try not to shoot off fast and are way to careful or either they just blow it fast! Experience will help. Not having the injured pitchers has hurt with leadership for the young guys to learn from. Players can help more than coaches a lot of the times.

They aren't "young" as far as being able to throw it over the plate and compete. They wouldn't be here if they were. That stuff is worked out in high school for these guys. And at this point they are thinking too much and not letting their ability dictate their pitching. It always happens when a jump is made unless the pitcher is already just a mean muther****er when he gets here. It's the pitching coaches job to re channel what got the pitcher to this level to start with, their stuff.

I'm not hating on anybody but just stating facts. We walk too many people and it's fixable. Fixable by the pitching coach. And he would probably tell you that if asked if he's worth his salt which I imagine he is.

[basedog]

Cohen and Butch had this same issue their first year at MSU except they didn't have half the team out due to injury. Didn't Henderson come in late in the fall? These coaches haven't been around the players enough to really get a feel for everyone. This team doesn't give up so hopefully they will keep getting better as the year goes on. Some of these young pitchers have to step up or this team will be lucky to get to a Regional.

Yes on Henderson and Canny, they as well as this team is a work in progress. Being 11-6 with 4 wins in a row is ok, hopefully and I think we will, get better, not saying we will or want make a region though.

[lamont]

I want disagree except they are young and need experience, they aren't high profile pro prospects at the moment. Young pitchers are like a young boy getting his first piece of ass, they try not to shoot off fast and are way to careful or either they just blow it fast! Experience will help. Not having the injured pitchers has hurt with leadership for the young guys to learn from. Players can help more than coaches a lot of the times.

Experience or not- they are still being pussies. Challenge hitters and stop nibbling. These guys have been pitching since they were 6-7-8 years old. They know what they are doing. Henderson has to do a better job of setting that tone.

[I seen it dawg]

Cohen and Butch had this same issue their first year at MSU except they didn't have half the team out due to injury. Didn't Henderson come in late in the fall? These coaches haven't been around the players enough to really get a feel for everyone. This team doesn't give up so hopefully they will keep getting better as the year goes on. Some of these young pitchers have to step up or this team will be lucky to get to a Regional.

Don't disagree with this but a point I want to make is this...doesn't matter about knowing the players as far as what I'm talking about. If I walked in today in my first meeting without knowing any of them my message would be "we will compete, throw strikes, and challenge hitters. Make them get themselves out which they will do. We will pound the zone." I wouldn't give a shit what pitchers were there or what their makeup was or what their background was.

Pounding the zone and competing should be universal from the moment a kid first steps on a mound in his first kid pitch game to the point they no longer play baseball. It's non-negotiable and not under, or will it ever be, under discussion. There is no other way on this subject.

[basedog]

Experience or not- they are still being pussies. Challenge hitters and stop nibbling. These guys have been pitching since they were 6-7-8 years old. They know what they are doing. Henderson has to do a better job of setting that tone.

Maybe so, but Henderson didn't recruit these guys, a few will never be good pitchers and probably wouldn't last IF we had our front line pitchers not injured.

[CadaverDawg]

I really hope Parker Ford can get some innings today.

1) We need him

2) He's a big time talent

3) He just needs some confidence after coming off the injury

[I seen it dawg]

Maybe so, but Henderson didn't recruit these guys, a few will never be good pitchers and probably wouldn't last IF we had our front line pitchers not injured.

Will never know if they don't throw the ball over the plate.

[I seen it dawg]

I really hope Parker Ford can get some innings today.

1) We need him

2) He's a big time talent

3) He just needs some confidence after coming off the injury

Could for sure help us.

[smootness]

But that skill is already in them or they wouldn't be here in our program. Right now some of our young guys pitch too much like pussies. They nibble around the plate trying to be too fine when their stuff is electric and they should be challenging guys. It's a mentality. That's Hendersons job to pound that into them. Walking so many guys is mental not physical. This is something that can be beaten out of a pitcher.

So which of our pitchers are open to be called names for not throwing strikes, and which are off-limits for questioning on throwing strikes? I just need to get this straight.