Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 21 to 40 of 55

Thread: I like some of the position moves I'm hearing with Grantham's defense

  1. #21
    Senior Member bulldawg28's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    5,449
    vCash
    3700
    No to Durr and Bryant starting.

  2. #22
    That New Coach - That's better than the Old Coach
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    9,909
    vCash
    3190
    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    Someone correct me if I'm wrong- but didn't Green essentially play a lot of ILB for us last year? We had whoever the Viper was- usually Calvin and then the other guy was either usually Gray or Jung at the Star position or whatever we called it. If my assumption is correct, I think that may have been part of the problem- having Green on the inside. If he is at either DE or OLB I think he could be more productive and maybe more importantly not out of position.

    I guess we may look something like this:

    DE- Rivers
    NT- Simmons
    DE- Green

    OLB- Sweat
    ILB- Lewis
    ILB- Dez Harris
    OLB- Jung unless Marquiss Spencer is better in coverage than I realize. I wouldn't mind having him start at DE.

    CB- Peters
    CB- Durr

    S- Abrams
    S- McLaurin

    How about thoughts on maybe moving JT Gray to safety? He would have to be the SS of course. He may be too slow to pull it off.
    No way Gerri starts at 3-4 DE he's not big enough.

  3. #23
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    15,986
    vCash
    2510
    Quote Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew View Post
    No way Gerri starts at 3-4 DE he's not big enough.
    Do you think Simmons stays at NT?

  4. #24
    That New Coach - That's better than the Old Coach
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    9,909
    vCash
    3190
    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    Do you think Simmons stays at NT?
    I do but I think he plays more DE on 3rd downs if Autry lives up to his billing. I think we have some really versatile guys up front depending on down & distance. Simmons, Thomas, Autry, Pope all can slide up & down the line in a 3-4 depending on the situation.

  5. #25
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    15,986
    vCash
    2510
    Quote Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew View Post
    I do but I think he plays more DE on 3rd downs if Autry lives up to his billing. I think we have some really versatile guys up front depending on down & distance. Simmons, Thomas, Autry, Pope all can slide up & down the line in a 3-4 depending on the situation.
    True. I look for our 2 deep to be:

    DE: Thomas-Pope
    NT: Simmons-Autry
    DE: Spencer-Rivers
    Viper: Sweat-Green

    Then you still have Fletcher Adams and Kobe Jones. Lot of versatility.

  6. #26
    Senior Member Tbonewannabe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    10,674
    vCash
    3500
    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    True. I look for our 2 deep to be:

    DE: Thomas-Pope
    NT: Simmons-Autry
    DE: Spencer-Rivers
    Viper: Sweat-Green

    Then you still have Fletcher Adams and Kobe Jones. Lot of versatility.
    I like that lineup. We are getting back to being able to rotate a lot of Dlinemen and keeping them fresh. That is a lot of talent that can compete in the SEC West. That is a group I would put up against Ark, A&M, UM, or most of the East.

  7. #27
    Senior Member maroonmania's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    19,258
    vCash
    3700
    Quote Originally Posted by Jarius View Post
    He had a decent Freshman season and not a very good one this past year. A lot of our players looked like Jane. It was a common theme with Peter Sirmon. I think that they were all thinking too much.
    I don't think we really had a defensive player that did have a good year this past season outside of maybe Leo Lewis. Thanks Sirmon.

  8. #28
    Senior Member Tbonewannabe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    10,674
    vCash
    3500
    Quote Originally Posted by maroonmania View Post
    I don't think we really had a defensive player that did have a good year this past season outside of maybe Leo Lewis. Thanks Sirmon.
    Hoping that a lot of people were screwed up by Sirmon. Green and Bryant looked a lot better as freshmen than last year.

  9. #29
    That New Coach - That's better than the Old Coach
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    9,909
    vCash
    3190
    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    True. I look for our 2 deep to be:

    DE: Thomas-Pope
    NT: Simmons-Autry
    DE: Spencer-Rivers
    Viper: Sweat-Green

    Then you still have Fletcher Adams and Kobe Jones. Lot of versatility.
    I like that look too. Lots of capable bodies upfront if they play up to their potential. My big question is what is the other OLB position going to look like. Does Grantham want to go with size all the way across the LB board? If he does you could see Sweat at 1 OLB & Green at the other. Is he looking for more quickness & versatility there? You have Sweat, Green, Thompson, Harris, Jung, Lewis, Gay, Washington, Gray(?), Spencer(?) at LB. I'm interested in how he's going to play them.

  10. #30
    Senior Member msstate7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    72,439
    vCash
    10439
    Quote Originally Posted by maroonmania View Post
    I don't think we really had a defensive player that did have a good year this past season outside of maybe Leo Lewis. Thanks Sirmon.
    Simmons had a pretty nice freshman campaign considering where he lined up. NG is a tough position for a kid straight out of HS

  11. #31
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    15,986
    vCash
    2510
    Quote Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew View Post
    I like that look too. Lots of capable bodies upfront if they play up to their potential. My big question is what is the other OLB position going to look like. Does Grantham want to go with size all the way across the LB board? If he does you could see Sweat at 1 OLB & Green at the other. Is he looking for more quickness & versatility there? You have Sweat, Green, Thompson, Harris, Jung, Lewis, Gay, Washington, Gray(?), Spencer(?) at LB. I'm interested in how he's going to play them.
    That will be interesting. I'm sure right now, he wants to get our best 11 on the field. I would think if Sweat is OLB in that Jack/Viper role then you would have Leo inside for sure. So that leaves another inside spot and I would think Dez Harris has the lead right now. For the other outside spot I would think Jung would have the lead due to his length, athleticism and he played much better at the end of the year. Gay will probably be in the 2 deep inside and out. Hopefully Thompson can rotate in on the inside. I don't love our depth at LB. Washington played limited snaps. And I don't think Gray fits the mold that Grantham typically looks for in an OLB.

  12. #32
    That New Coach - That's better than the Old Coach
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    9,909
    vCash
    3190
    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    That will be interesting. I'm sure right now, he wants to get our best 11 on the field. I would think if Sweat is OLB in that Jack/Viper role then you would have Leo inside for sure. So that leaves another inside spot and I would think Dez Harris has the lead right now. For the other outside spot I would think Jung would have the lead due to his length, athleticism and he played much better at the end of the year. Gay will probably be in the 2 deep inside and out. Hopefully Thompson can rotate in on the inside. I don't love our depth at LB. Washington played limited snaps. And I don't think Gray fits the mold that Grantham typically looks for in an OLB.
    Yea we're going to need Erroll, Willie, & Washington to give us some productive snaps.

  13. #33
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Posts
    0
    vCash
    2610
    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    Do you think Simmons stays at NT?
    According to TG- yes

  14. #34
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Posts
    2,119
    vCash
    3100
    Cam Dantzler and CJ Morgan Walker are going to see a lot of snaps. They might have been our best 2 last year but redshirted

  15. #35
    That New Coach - That's better than the Old Coach
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    9,909
    vCash
    3190
    Quote Originally Posted by GTHOM View Post
    Cam Dantzler and CJ Morgan Walker are going to see a lot of snaps. They might have been our best 2 last year but redshirted
    I expect Cam to get plenty of reps but it's going to be tough for CJ with the # of older Safeties we have.

  16. #36
    Senior Member smootness's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Posts
    15,088
    vCash
    3000
    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    Someone correct me if I'm wrong- but didn't Green essentially play a lot of ILB for us last year? We had whoever the Viper was- usually Calvin and then the other guy was either usually Gray or Jung at the Star position or whatever we called it. If my assumption is correct, I think that may have been part of the problem- having Green on the inside. If he is at either DE or OLB I think he could be more productive and maybe more importantly not out of position.

    I guess we may look something like this:

    DE- Rivers
    NT- Simmons
    DE- Green

    OLB- Sweat
    ILB- Lewis
    ILB- Dez Harris
    OLB- Jung unless Marquiss Spencer is better in coverage than I realize. I wouldn't mind having him start at DE.

    CB- Peters
    CB- Durr

    S- Abrams
    S- McLaurin

    How about thoughts on maybe moving JT Gray to safety? He would have to be the SS of course. He may be too slow to pull it off.
    Green is absolutely not a 3-4 DE

  17. #37
    Denver Airport Director
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    13,471
    vCash
    2610
    Bryant and Morgan Walker have work to do. Bryant on work ethic and MW on physical. Prob be nice to combine the 2.

  18. #38
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Posts
    0
    vCash
    2610
    Bryant certainly has to step up and get after it- but he is the most talented guy we got in the Secondary.

  19. #39
    Senior Member msbulldog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    W. Monroe, LA
    Posts
    7,429
    vCash
    1089576
    I think Sirmon trying to run the pro-style 2-gap screwed R Brown, G Green and others up. There is a reason Grantham simplified the defense after he left Georgia. 2-gap probably is too much for college players, very few ran the 3-4 in high school.

  20. #40
    Senior Member louisvilledawg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Posts
    1,400
    vCash
    6632
    Quote Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins View Post
    ... and not in a Myles Hartsfield type of way.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Disclaimer: Elitedawgs is a privately owned and operated forum that is managed by alumni of Mississippi State University. This website is in no way affiliated with the Mississippi State University, The Southeastern Conference (SEC) or the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA). The views and opinions expressed herein are strictly those of the post author and may not reflect the views of other members of this forum or elitedawgs.com. The interactive nature of the elitedawgs.com forums makes it impossible for elitedawgs.com to assume responsibility for any of the content posted at this site. Ideas, thoughts, suggestion, comments, opinions, advice and observations made by participants at elitedawgs.com are not endorsed by elitedawgs.com
Elitedawgs: A Mississippi State Fan Forum, Mississippi State Football, Mississippi State Basketball, Mississippi State Baseball, Mississippi State Athletics. Mississippi State message board.